Grand Wagoneer vs RAM 1500

[RyanB]

Thought this was an interesting comparison.  If I were a betting man, I would bet that before the end of the year I may very well post one of these in the "latest purchase" thread......

 

 

[german88]

Just picked up a new Laramie eTorque.  Replaced my F150 and so far it's been an absolute pleasure to own.  Refinement is next level.  Haven't towed with it yet but should do fine as compared to my 5.0 coyote equipped F150. 

 

 

[oldjeep]

17 hours ago, RyanB said:

Thought this was an interesting comparison.  If I were a betting man, I would bet that before the end of the year I may very well post one of these in the "latest purchase" thread......

 

 

The price difference on those trucks has to be close to 50K

[jjackkrash]

Drive the new Caddy before you pull the trigger.    

[RyanB]

1 hour ago, oldjeep said:

The price difference on those trucks has to be close to 50K

I think it’s about $30k. 

1 hour ago, jjackkrash said:

Drive the new Caddy before you pull the trigger.    

Yeah, I’m not a Chevy guy. And certainly NOT a Cadillac guy. The only thing that would make me think about going that way would be the 3.0 diesel, and that isn’t enough of a draw for me. The Caddy is a hard pass in my household. 

[jjackkrash]

10 minutes ago, RyanB said:

And certainly NOT a Cadillac guy. 

I was not either until I drove the new one.  But it's all good, the new Jeep looks like a really sweet ride.  

[JeffK]

The only downside is that you need to have the WDH to tow in that range and that doesn't play well with the surge brakes.  You'd have to replace the surge with a fixed coupler and add electric over the hydraulic to take full advantage.  That's the one downside for me.  I'm still considering going with a Duraburb form Duramax Specialties.  He's now converting 15-18 Suburbans into 3/4 tons and they will land in the same price range as the G Wagoneers.  I love the new wagoneers, but hate the WDH idea.  

[RyanB]

1 hour ago, JeffK said:

The only downside is that you need to have the WDH to tow in that range and that doesn't play well with the surge brakes.  You'd have to replace the surge with a fixed coupler and add electric over the hydraulic to take full advantage.  That's the one downside for me.  I'm still considering going with a Duraburb form Duramax Specialties.  He's now converting 15-18 Suburbans into 3/4 tons and they will land in the same price range as the G Wagoneers.  I love the new wagoneers, but hate the WDH idea.  

Where are you finding the WDH requirement for towing with the GW?  

And, FWIW, I upgraded from surge to electric on my LSV two years ago.  I am very happy with the results.

[JeffK]

1 hour ago, RyanB said:

Where are you finding the WDH requirement for towing with the GW?  

When they first came out, I had been looking heavily at them.  On their site, it said you had to have the WDH to tow at that level.  I'll try my best to find it

[german88]

Get a hemi while you can.  Sounds like 2023 will be it's last year in production.  Ram designed an all new inline 6 turbo diesel that will be the standard engine on all 1/2 tons. Made in Mexico.  Production began back in Nov. if I'm not mistaken.  Excited to see the official release and performance figures. 

[german88]

Good article on it here: https://tfltruck.com/2021/12/breaking-news-ram-jeep-and-dodge-turbo-6-cylinder-tornado-engine-went-into-production-here-are-all-the-details/?fbclid=IwAR25iPeeYR6rzzEVSypcWWydDiKdcmSFqjKRJmk_0nCsxH1XVPMQ87aTG2A

[Slayer]

17 minutes ago, german88 said:

Get a hemi while you can.  Sounds like 2023 will be it's last year in production.  Ram designed an all new inline 6 turbo diesel that will be the standard engine on all 1/2 tons. Made in Mexico.  Production began back in Nov. if I'm not mistaken.  Excited to see the official release and performance figures. 

I heard about this and I think it's a terrible idea for Ram and Dodge.  There are a lot of people I know that buy those vehicles solely due to the Hemi.  Perhaps it stays for the HD trucks??  Not sure.

[german88]

47 minutes ago, Slayer said:

I heard about this and I think it's a terrible idea for Ram and Dodge.  There are a lot of people I know that buy those vehicles solely due to the Hemi.  Perhaps it stays for the HD trucks??  Not sure.

Yeah, I agree it will alienate many hemi fans.  It's been a great engine and I'm pretty sure it stay's around for the near future in the HD truck as you mention.  They do need a powertrain that keeps pace with the new Tundra/F150 train and this is undoubtedly their answer.  

[Slayer]

Agreed.  The 3.5L Ecoboost is a hell of a mill.  I've loved every one I've had and they've consistently gotten better since the first one I had in 2011.  I did just order a 2022 super duty with the 7.3L gasser.  The torque numbers aren't the greatest, but I don't have a use case for the diesel.  The simplicity of an internal cam and pushrods is attractive.  

[RyanB]

3 hours ago, german88 said:

Ram designed an all new inline 6 turbo diesel that will be the standard engine on all 1/2 tons.

I think you mis-spoke.  It is a gasser, not diesel.

I love the sound of a V8 (especially a Hemi), but I think its time has passed.  It has been quite a while since they were able to increase output of the Hemi, and it is now trailing the EcoBoost (especially in torque).  

Personally, it would ALMOST be worth waiting for the new engine.

[german88]

I test drove several new F150's when I was in the market this fall.  Loved the power and torque on the Eco.  Still baffles me how strong that engine pulls and does it so effortlessly.  If it weren't for the refined ride quality of the Ram I would have likely stuck with Ford.  Only reason I moved on from my Coyote F150 was the ridiculous resale on used trucks this past year.  I put 67K miles on it in 4 years and sold it for more than I paid.  It was challenging finding a new one with the options I wanted and not get raked on the price.  Prices and availability in PNW are completely out of hand so I broadened my search and found a screamer deal on the perfect truck minus my preferred rear diff ratio.  One way flight to Toledo and road trip home...   

[german88]

3 minutes ago, RyanB said:

I think you mis-spoke.  It is a gasser, not diesel.

I love the sound of a V8 (especially a Hemi), but I think its time has passed.  It has been quite a while since they were able to increase output of the Hemi, and it is now trailing the EcoBoost (especially in torque).  

Personally, it would ALMOST be worth waiting for the new engine.

Not sure why I had diesel on the brain... 

[german88]

I was really torn knowing things will be changing dramatically in the next few years.  Agree the Hemi has been passed in up in many ways but part of me just wanted to say I've owned a Hemi.  Lol.  Now that I've logged 10K miles on clock I can say it's still one hell of an engine.  Mated to the ZF 8Sp which is IMHO the sweetest tranny in the 1/2 ton market. The combo just flat out works.  It made my 5.0 coyote feel like an anemic high strung truck.  I'm glad I've got a "last of" gen 5 Ram for now. 

Also, would add Hemi eTorque is more hype and marketing IMHO.  I have it and my buddy owns a non etorque.  We get the same gas mileage and his truck feels faster off the line with his 3.92 vs my 3.21 rear and. Other than wicked smooth shifting and undetectable auto start stop I see no real gains to having etorque.  

[JeffK]

On 1/19/2022 at 12:41 PM, RyanB said:

Where are you finding the WDH requirement for towing with the GW?  

And, FWIW, I upgraded from surge to electric on my LSV two years ago.  I am very happy with the results.

I called my buddy who owns a Jeep dealership. He contacted their product specialist. He said Wagoneer is 5k without the wdh. Wdh adds 2,180. Grand wagoneer is 8,260 without the wdh. 

[RyanB]

1 hour ago, JeffK said:

I called my buddy who owns a Jeep dealership. He contacted their product specialist. He said Wagoneer is 5k without the wdh. Wdh adds 2,180. Grand wagoneer is 8,260 without the wdh. 

I’d like to see that in writing. Because it doesn’t match what has been advertised. 10,000 in the Wagoneer and 9850 in the GW. 
 

The Grand Cherokee is 7200 and I’ve also never seen a limitation of WDH there either (but I think there is something about maximum frontal space on the trailer). 
 

[RyanB]

[RyanB]

[RyanB]

I can't find anything in the owners manual about WDH requirements.

https://carmanuals2.com/get/jeep-wagoneer-2022-owner-s-manual-118364

[JeffK]

1 hour ago, RyanB said:

I’d like to see that in writing. Because it doesn’t match what has been advertised. 10,000 in the Wagoneer and 9850 in the GW. 
 

The Grand Cherokee is 7200 and I’ve also never seen a limitation of WDH there either (but I think there is something about maximum frontal space on the trailer). 
 

I’m just sharing what he told me from his team. I remember seeing somewhere that it needed the wdh, but I can’t find it anymore. I’ll try to keep digging, but you might check with your local dealer too. 

[JeffK]

@RyanB Hey Ryan - Wanted to circle back on this.  I had looked through the same manual link a couple weeks back.  I know I remember seeing the information early on somewhere and felt disappointed that I didn't feel comfortable towing my 25.  I don't see it called out anymore, but I don't think that is because it isn't true.  My guess is they pulled it down so they number you see is 10K when looking.  I'd make sure you speak with a product specialist at the dealership you have.  I'd love to hear what another dealer says.  I grew up with my friend.  HIs family has owned dealerships for 30 yrs or more and Jeep as long as I can remember, so I trust him.  But a second source would be good.