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I have a 2005 Response closed bow and love the boat! We went on vaction last week and noticed that the piece of floor that you remove to get to the stuffing box etc sounds like you are walking on tinfoil. My buddy has an 1999 Response LX and his is totally shot. Does anyone know if they use honeycomb to build this, it is pretty light so that might be the case. Would this be covered under "life time hull warranty"? if both of us are original owners? Actually my boat is still under the 3 year full warranty, so I would assume that it should not be a problem.

Thanks for any thoughts

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Chef23

A friend of mine with a 2001 Response LX has the same panel that feels a little soft. My understanding is that there isn't any wood in these boats so it shouldn't be rot.

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tvano

given the weight of that panel i would bet my dinner tonight that is a aluminum honeycomb panel.

my ski locker cover aluminum, too.

mcmaster-carr stocks small sizes of it (2x4 iirc) but bring your wallet.

Edited by tvano

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99response

Not covered under your lifetime hull warrenty because it isn't part of the hull.

It is made of the honeycomb aluminum.

-Chris

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hawaiianstyln

mine does the same thing in my VLX when I walk over the section above the gas tank. It's like a Plinking sound. I did ask the dealer about that one time and I think they mentioned that it was the honeycomb aluminum. Nothing you can do about it and it won't cause damage.

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Olive

My 04 VLX has a similar issue -- 3" from the bow edge side -- softness underfoot. Yes it is a Al pannel -- my dealer was nice enough to replace under warranty -- one vote for SP in MI! I was told they do "fail"... good luck!

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ibelieve

If this is not covered under warranty, can you at least purchase replacements? Mine is an 04 LXi and the removable section between the motor box and the rear of the boat is about to fall thru. May have to stick a piece of plywood in there to get thru the summer ... won't be good advertising, that's for sure. The rest of the floor appears to be sagging as well but not as bad as the removable hatch.

 

/Steve

 

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oldjeep

Ask your local dealer.  It is a common enough problem that they should be available.  The panel in my in-laws 04 LXI sags a little too

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ahopkinsVTX

Holy moly old thread. :shocked:

But the above info is correct. However instead of plywood I'd call your dealer and have them order a new section from the factory. Or fab your own up and wrap it in carpet. Just remember the carpet wrapped around whatever you use for the base will add width. 

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oldjeep
28 minutes ago, ahopkinsTXi said:

Holy moly old thread. :shocked:

But the above info is correct. However instead of plywood I'd call your dealer and have them order a new section from the factory. Or fab your own up and wrap it in carpet. Just remember the carpet wrapped around whatever you use for the base will add width. 

Yeah I don't think I would want plywood right over the mufflers.  I assume the reason for the honeycomb aluminum is that it gets to hot there for a piece of starboard

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Fffrank
22 minutes ago, oldjeep said:

Yeah I don't think I would want plywood right over the mufflers.  I assume the reason for the honeycomb aluminum is that it gets to hot there for a piece of starboard

There's no danger in plywood.  Your risers and exhaust pipes should never be above ~150F.  Wood has an autoignition point of ~570F.  Plywood is how floors were built for 50+ years before the composite materials came along.

IF you rebuild this section out of wood, though -- you'll want to be sure to apply a Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer (CPES) to waterproof it.   With proper application you can basically eliminate any chance of rot or degradation.  I'd talk to the dealer on getting an OEM panel (and knowing how cheap I am) probably cringe and go with the plywood panel.  I suspect that PVC, starboard, etc won't be rigid enough for that particular piece (and is why they used an aluminum honeycomb) to begin with.

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oldjeep
2 hours ago, Fffrank said:

There's no danger in plywood.  Your risers and exhaust pipes should never be above ~150F.  Wood has an autoignition point of ~570F.  Plywood is how floors were built for 50+ years before the composite materials came along.

IF you rebuild this section out of wood, though -- you'll want to be sure to apply a Clear Penetrating Epoxy Sealer (CPES) to waterproof it.   With proper application you can basically eliminate any chance of rot or degradation.  I'd talk to the dealer on getting an OEM panel (and knowing how cheap I am) probably cringe and go with the plywood panel.  I suspect that PVC, starboard, etc won't be rigid enough for that particular piece (and is why they used an aluminum honeycomb) to begin with.

It isn't danger, it is the steaming rot that you would get using wood above a couple hot mufflers that get water splashed on them.

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ibelieve

The plywood would be temporary. My concern is the next time a 200lb guy steps back into the boat, he might go right thru it.

I believe Malibu was having quite a few quality problems around the time of my boat. I had a 93 Echelon that was far superior in quality.

If I remember correctly, the aluminum honeycomb was to reduce weight. The whole floor is made of the same stuff.

 

Thanks for the replies!

Edited by ibelieve

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jbrucebryant

My 2004 response is experiencing the same problem with the front hatch and back panel sagging.  Has anybody successfully replaced/repaired this issue without purchasing a factory replacement?  

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ibelieve

I don't believe the front hatch(s) are the aluminum honeycomb but rather a solid piece of something. I know there have been issues with it as well, and particular the hinges. You can search for discussions on them and should be able to find something.

As for the rear, I made a steel support for under mine and it is doing well, for now.

 

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jbrucebryant

Thanks for the reply and the suggestion!

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Woodski

I made a nice replacement using corecell wrapped in carbon fiber.  Super light and stiffer than original.  For additional strength, you can add more vertical section via a cross beam.

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tvano

hijack on: @woodski, how would you feel the corecell + carbon fiber would work out as a ski locker cover on response.

note that the response ski locker is upholstered above the fuel tank across the stern (not a sub-floor compartment).

hijack off.

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forgot to turn off hijack. how inconsiderate!

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Woodski

@tvano:  Hijack answer - would work great and I am going on the assumption it is the panel under the sunpad in the storage locker (you certainly want to avoid any wood there).  I would also consider it a good option for the sunpad panels also, the carbon fiber is much stiffer than other materials commonly used (and priced accordingly).  I actually made three items that way - platform, rudder cover panel, ski locker panel (narrow one between driver & observer seats).  As an example, my platform is super stiff although I did add a vertical 'beam' between the platform brackets since there is plenty of space there and I don't need the little mid transom brace (that was knocked off anyway).  If my assumption is correct, I would consider changing from carpet to hydroturf / seadek if that gets wet a lot (in place of carpet).

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tvano
4 hours ago, Woodski said:

@tvano:  Hijack answer - would work great and I am going on the assumption it is the panel under the sunpad in the storage locker (you certainly want to avoid any wood there).  I would also consider it a good option for the sunpad panels also, the carbon fiber is much stiffer than other materials commonly used (and priced accordingly).  I actually made three items that way - platform, rudder cover panel, ski locker panel (narrow one between driver & observer seats).  As an example, my platform is super stiff although I did add a vertical 'beam' between the platform brackets since there is plenty of space there and I don't need the little mid transom brace (that was knocked off anyway).  If my assumption is correct, I would consider changing from carpet to hydroturf / seadek if that gets wet a lot (in place of carpet).

@Woodskii've archived your comment so i can find it when that locker cover finally fails.

my dealer says it's part of the lifetime hull warranty but i don't expect to see any satisfaction from the big kids at malibu. 

i'd like to try a carbon fiber project.  maybe i'll pm you when that time comes and lean on your expertise.  thanks for the reply.

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Woodski

@tvano:  Good luck getting a replacement, hopefully that works out.  Carbon projects are most fun when they are finished, they are very rewarding and can have great results.  I shot you a pm, feel free to shoot me a note when you give it a try.  As I note in the pm, I forgot to mention my most recent one, I made an engine cover the same way, significant weight savings.

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