2019 RAM 1500

[85 Barefoot]

54 minutes ago, granddaddy55 said:

Ok, earlier I spoke about it

Lets talk example , Fiat spider roadster convertible , we all loved the look, just didn’t run everyday sort of like British Leyland.  Europe has been sort of flash no substance in many companies if they have to compete without protections.  the origin of VW and Fiat were fascist/socialist origins dependent on large government purchases business to get their big leg up.  Ford was ground up capitalism (and didn’t take a drop of bailout money many others did). GM benefited greatly from our war efforts because they were s capitalist successful entrepreneurial endeavor to start with.  But when GM and Chrysler had to start taking their cues from government cause strings attached to that money and yiu get the volt, 200, and Dart

socislism dulls the blade of capitalism 

Know how many fords were bought during cash for clunkers program that they lobbied for in order to get $6 Billion from the department of Energy to retool come plants?  90,000.  That's $66,000 per car.  I could go on.  Just because ford did not "take" any money from federal "bailout" fund, hardly makes Mulally Ayn Rand.  

[85 Barefoot]

5 minutes ago, bamabonners said:

Depends on how it sells, I guess.  I’m sure there are more things than just sales against the competitors to determine rebates.  

I was actually shocked to see f150 commercial advertising 10k+ the other day.  Seems like ford and Toyota never offer large rebates.  

Well, for Toyota that's certainly true.  Hard to find a reason to offer rebates when you sell every model you can produce.  Toyota's factory is literally at wide open throttle and has been for years.  My dealer rarely has more than 1 on the lot.  Good for them, but in the scheme of things their numbers are way way off the big 3.

[ahopkins22LSV]

Why do you continue to think I’m offended @RyanB? Because I think it’s comical that you are making judgements to take a side of which you actually have no experience with? Your opinion does not offend me at all. I myself had the same thought as you going into “it can’t be as bad as everyone says”, well then I gained experience for myself. A years worth. So sure I’m disgruntled by the text. I’d rather call myself educated and experienced now. To each their own. 

Also I NEVER said the ram will be crap. I said it’s not for ME, based on my experience.

[ahopkins22LSV]

Oh, the new rebel is leaps and bounds above the old rebel. The old rebel seemed like a lame attempt with some weak off road tires and grill change. This new revision is much better. I was impressed with it in person. 

[Tims]

1 hour ago, IXFE said:

Between meetings...

Totally agree that rebadging a Cruz into a Buick was a market failure. I’m a car guy and I honestly didn’t know what a Verano was until I stepped into one at Hertz last year.  I remember cuz I got an email from Hertz as I was landing telling me what my car was.  I remember thinking, “Sweet!  I’m gonna be in a Buick this week!”  Twenty minutes later I get to the car and go, “Oh, it’s just a Cruz.”  Lol

The difference I was trying to demonstrate with a car like the Verano is that it didn’t have unique R&D, a unique factory, or unique tooling built for it. So the sunk cost was much less than for cars like the Dart or the 200.  Even with shared platforms they had a lot of unique R&D, tooling, favtories, etc.  That is BIG money.

Also, when the Verano failed it didn’t spell the end for GM in the small/medium car segment like it did with FCA. That makes it different too. 

I’m just trying to have a nuanced discussion here instead of black and white.  That’s hard to do on the forum especially when some just see arguing with IXFE as some sort of sport. 

85, we totally agree this has zero to do with the new Ram, which I like a lot. Hopkins said he wouldn’t buy the new Ram cuz of what he knows about FCA. That shifted the convo away from the Ram and towards FCA as a business. I’m a sucker for business conversations especially about auto and boat industry... 

Back to the Ram!  Do we think the new Rebel will compete with the 2017+ Raptor?

From just looking at the picture it does not look like it is even remotely in the same ballpark as the Raptor. Are the suspension and power specs similar? 

[RyanB]

8 minutes ago, Tims said:

From just looking at the picture it does not look like it is even remotely in the same ballpark as the Raptor. Are the suspension and power specs similar? 

No, suspension and power is not similar.

[85 Barefoot]

6 minutes ago, RyanB said:

No, suspension and power is not similar.

but I've heard the supercharged 6.4 will be coming...and air suspension really is amazing.  

 

[IXFE]

I was actually hoping for a Fox or King long travel suspension coupled with the 6.4L and priced $10k less than the Raptor. 

The Rebel could sweet if it’s more than just cosmetics. 

[Tims]

Looks like it's similar to a TRD Pro package. Mostly cosmetic with a body lift and shocks that are valved differently. Cheese.............. I can't understand why Ford is the only one to do this properly. 

[RyanB]

1 hour ago, 85 Barefoot said:

but I've heard the supercharged 6.4 will be coming...and air suspension really is amazing.  

 

I thought that was an SRT10 type truck. But you are right, 6.2 supercharged (hellcat ish) for the Rebel. 

https://m.ramtrucks.com/en/limited-editions/ram-1500/rebel-trx/

[Tims]

36 minutes ago, RyanB said:

I thought that was an SRT10 type truck. But you are right, 6.2 supercharged (hellcat ish) for the Rebel. 

https://m.ramtrucks.com/en/limited-editions/ram-1500/rebel-trx/

Way cool!!  Wonder how much? 

[ibelonginprison]

46 minutes ago, RyanB said:

I thought that was an SRT10 type truck. But you are right, 6.2 supercharged (hellcat ish) for the Rebel. 

https://m.ramtrucks.com/en/limited-editions/ram-1500/rebel-trx/

it's just gaudy enough that I juuuuuust miiiiiight not hate that thing

[85 Barefoot]

That's the old concept.  And it was my bad I said 6.4.  But, it has been said we may well be getting the real deal hellcat/trackhawk engine.  I'm sure stuffed into a street version and rebel.  Now, does that make any sense?  No but neither does the charger Daytona stinger bumble bee model.  Chrysler being Chrysler.

[IXFE]

27 minutes ago, 85 Barefoot said:

That's the old concept.  And it was my bad I said 6.4.  But, it has been said we may well be getting the real deal hellcat/trackhawk engine.  I'm sure stuffed into a street version and rebel.  Now, does that make any sense?  No but neither does the charger Daytona stinger bumble bee model.  Chrysler being Chrysler.

But won’t that be $100k...??

That’s the msrp of the JGC Trackhawk. Blows my mind that anybody would spend that on a JGC regardless of the motor. 

[RyanB]

21 minutes ago, IXFE said:

But won’t that be $100k...??

That’s the msrp of the JGC Trackhawk. Blows my mind that anybody would spend that on a JGC regardless of the motor. 

$87k base MSRP (but what is $13k between friends?  )

I actually think it is pretty appealing, even at $100k.  No other SUV is anywhere close to the same level of performance.  Even has a 7200 pound tow rating.

My daily driving time is split between a mid-size SUV and a 2 seat sports car.  The Trackhawk is one of the few vehicles I would consider trading both in on.  Heck, I could even tow my boat with it.

But since I also think it is a lot of fun to go fast around the corners, I won't likely get much past considering.

[IXFE]

2 minutes ago, RyanB said:

$87k base MSRP (but what is $13k between friends?  )

I actually think it is pretty appealing, even at $100k.  No other SUV is anywhere close to the same level of performance.  Even has a 7200 pound tow rating.

My daily driving time is split between a mid-size SUV and a 2 seat sports car.  The Trackhawk is one of the few vehicles I would consider trading both in on.  Heck, I could even tow my boat with it.

But since I also think it is a lot of fun to go fast around the corners, I won't likely get much past considering.

My local dealer has FIVE on the showroom floor. They went bananas.  I was there two weeks ago for service on my JKU. I checked them out cuz they’re sweet. But all were between 97 and 99 with options. No clue if they’re dealing on them. 

A few days later I encountered one on my way home from work. We had some fun darting in and out it traffic and showing off our respective exhaust notes. Trackhawk sounds absolutely NASTY!  But alas he couldn’t keep up with me. Must be the driver. 

[IXFE]

On the Trackhawk I was indeed surprised to see $99k on th sticker. Idk... considering a Challenger / Charger Hellcat is $70k I kinda feel like the Trailhawk is an $80k suv. Wasn’t the SRT8 around $65k?

[RyanB]

18 minutes ago, IXFE said:

My local dealer has FIVE on the showroom floor. They went bananas.  I was there two weeks ago for service on my JKU. I checked them out cuz they’re sweet. But all were between 97 and 99 with options. No clue if they’re dealing on them. 

A few days later I encountered one on my way home from work. We had some fun darting in and out it traffic and showing off our respective exhaust notes. Trackhawk sounds absolutely NASTY!  But alas he couldn’t keep up with me. Must be the driver. 

From the looks of his back tires, the driver has had some fun with that Jeep.

11 minutes ago, IXFE said:

On the Trackhawk I was indeed surprised to see $99k on th sticker. Idk... considering a Challenger / Charger Hellcat is $70k I kinda feel like the Trailhawk is an $80k suv. Wasn’t the SRT8 around $65k?

My brother just picked up a Durango SRT8.  He said less than $65k.

And it is pretty easy to play with options and get up to $100k.  Options add up quickly on any vehicle.

Edited April 17, 2018 by RyanB

[oldjeep]

@IXFE  probably 4wd, but if the right deal was there on a 2wd i wouldn't have a problem buying another one. 

[jk13]

I was told the Trackhawk on our lot is $101 and they weren't moving off of it just yet. Black/black/yellow Brembos. Pretty sick but that's a lot of money for a JGC as said.

[IXFE]

@RyanB mid 80’s is a pipe dream for a Trailhawk. All these rigs are gonna come with some pricey upgrades. Here’s one from the floor at my dealer. The others were similar. 

My only point was... if they put that engine in the new Ram doesn’t it also get a high $90’s MSRP?  That would be $20k - $30k more than the next highest 1/2 ton (Raptor). Engine is cool and all, but who’s spending $100k on a 1/2 ton anything. The Shelby F150’s are $100k and I never see those on the road, but I’ve seen a handful collecting dust on the lots down here. 

[RyanB]

@IXFE, the stories I have read about the RAM is that if it gets a supercharged engine, it will be lower output - somewhere in the 540ish HP range.  170 less HP should cost less than what is going into the Jeep.  Would that make it priced at a point where people would buy it?  Maybe. 

On the Charger, the difference between SRT8 and Hellcat is about $17k.  And the difference from Hemi to SRT8 is about $13k.  That is about the same dollar amount of the upgrade in the Jeep. I guess what I am saying is that if you follow the math, going from Hemi to Hellcat is $30k.  Top level RAM 1500 Platinum is mid $60s, so the math would hold to your near $100k range if they stay at that high output level.

New vehicles are stupid expensive.

[bamaboy]

Anyone know anything about this new eTorque gadget in the RAMs?  I'm too lazy to research it so I figured I would ask here.  

 

@IXFE, if I go back to a 1500 any time soon then it would probably be a RAM.   I really like the looks and I feel like you get so much for your money with RAM.  That being said, it will be hard to not own a diesel.  The sheer power of the new Duramax is amazing. 

[granddaddy55]

10 hours ago, RyanB said:

 

New vehicles are stupid expensive.

As my Daddy said ( who never bought a car he couldn’t write a check for) it’s just a to b transportation 

thats why I bought an XLT, since I couldn’t write a check I prefer a note I could work at McDonald’s and pay, same for my house

[oldjeep]

48 minutes ago, bamaboy said:

Anyone know anything about this new eTorque gadget in the RAMs?  I'm too lazy to research it so I figured I would ask here.  

 

@IXFE, if I go back to a 1500 any time soon then it would probably be a RAM.   I really like the looks and I feel like you get so much for your money with RAM.  That being said, it will be hard to not own a diesel.  The sheer power of the new Duramax is amazing. 

Pretty good description.  Basically a hybrid system designed for increasing low end torque.  Pretty neat and not much of an upgrade in terms of $$$, but sounds like a lot of extra junk to fail.

http://autoweek.com/article/technology/2019-ram-etorque-system-torque-down-low