2018 T22 Build

[Raimie]

That is neat. I've never seen it before

[HPetit]

15 hours ago, Cole2001 said:

They have ones that provide extra protection. 

We need more info on the bimini extension on the Malibu on the left

[Raimie]

42 minutes ago, HPetit said:

We need more info on the bimini extension on the Malibu on the left

Apparently it's something great lakes made for them...

[ConnollyCrew]

On 9/11/2017 at 6:23 PM, Raimie said:

Today I said goodbye to my 14 T22. Mixed emotions for sure, we all really loved that boat. Lots of tears shed by my kiddos...it is hard to sell a boat with a 4 & 6 year old around...here is my little guy hugging the boat one last time.

So, now the build process can start on a new one! Here is what I'm thinking so far...

Vapor all day long

[Raimie]

On ‎11‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 10:35 AM, Raimie said:

Getting the build narrowed down...

Still torn between blue and vapor blue.

 

CS Mooring Cover and Bimini with surf/rope storage.

Base motor (409)

SP1 plus bow speakers

White tower

Surf Pipe, Surfgates, Power Wedge II

Spinner Racks

3 outlet heater - will add additional 4th vent using the 'y' adapter

Softgrip flooring

Ski Pylon

Depth finder

2nd battery w/switch

Entry Ladder

Cleats

Trailer: Alloy wheels, spare tire, white with elite shield coating

 

Things I will add later...

Soft grip on top deck. Will order gray to match floor from GatorStep and install myself.

SS Cupholders - Will order aftermarket from Amazon

Seat Riser

Sub/amp - maybe

 

Still deciding...

Tower Quick release latch - I only lower the tower for winter, willing to pass for budget

Prop -  not sure what prop yet...hoping to have some feedback from the crew before I order - Leaning towards base prop based on Anderson24 running @ 4k RPMs with the torque prop. More info needed, however.

[CBray4]

@Raimie Definitely a lot of good info here! Thanks a ton for the suggestion. I had seen this thread when you first posted but we were not thinking we were gonna order a new boat then so I had forgotten about it.

[shawndoggy]

2 hours ago, Raimie said:

SP1 plus bow speakers

3 outlet heater - will add additional 4th vent using the 'y' adapter

Things I will add later...

Sub/amp - maybe

Still deciding...

Tower Quick release latch - I only lower the tower for winter, willing to pass for budget

Prop -  not sure what prop yet...hoping to have some feedback from the crew before I order - Leaning towards base prop based on Anderson24 running @ 4k RPMs with the torque prop. More info needed, however.

Bow speakers add next to nothing.  If you forego you won't miss them.  

Re the heater ... be warned that the way that malibu installs the pull out vents in the walkway will significantly interfere with your options for a sub.  Sealed 10 or 12 is fine, but the vents make a ported 12 much more difficult.

the QR latch is pretty cheap isn't it?  I'd just buy it.  Makes folding the tower really easy.

At your altitude, I'd go acme 2277 or 2279.  Probably 2277 tho.  I have the 2279 at 4000' and it's about perfect, so have no doubt you can get away with more cup at lower altitude.

[vanamp]

1 minute ago, shawndoggy said:

Bow speakers add next to nothing.  If you forego you won't miss them.  

Re the heater ... be warned that the way that malibu installs the pull out vents in the walkway will significantly interfere with your options for a sub.  Sealed 10 or 12 is fine, but the vents make a ported 12 much more difficult.

the QR latch is pretty cheap isn't it?  I'd just buy it.  Makes folding the tower really easy.

At your altitude, I'd go acme 2277 or 2279.  Probably 2277 tho.  I have the 2279 at 4000' and it's about perfect, so have no doubt you can get away with more cup at lower altitude.

The 2018s have the heaters tubes installed in the drivers seat base.  There is a fixed vent in the sub area but out of the way. 

[Raimie]

7 minutes ago, shawndoggy said:

Bow speakers add next to nothing.  If you forego you won't miss them.  

Re the heater ... be warned that the way that malibu installs the pull out vents in the walkway will significantly interfere with your options for a sub.  Sealed 10 or 12 is fine, but the vents make a ported 12 much more difficult.

the QR latch is pretty cheap isn't it?  I'd just buy it.  Makes folding the tower really easy.

At your altitude, I'd go acme 2277 or 2279.  Probably 2277 tho.  I have the 2279 at 4000' and it's about perfect, so have no doubt you can get away with more cup at lower altitude.

With the speaker placement on the '18 moving one cabin speaker by the driver, you are probably right. I was more concerned how it would look without them since that is now fiberglass panels (I think). I didn't have them on my 14 and it looked fine with the textured vinyl in that location.

The heater pullouts have moved to under the driver seat.

I think MSRP was $229. I will probably leave it in.

Appreciate the input on the prop. The 2273 is the torque prop option from the factory.

Edited November 13, 2017 by Raimie

[shawndoggy]

2273 would be perfect.  I guess I missed that the drive shaft went from 1 1/8 to 1 1/4?

The 6.0 needs to be wound out a bit more than the 5.7 as the meat of the torque curve is a bit higher.

[Raimie]

6 minutes ago, shawndoggy said:

2273 would be perfect.  I guess I missed that the drive shaft went from 1 1/8 to 1 1/4?

The 6.0 needs to be wound out a bit more than the 5.7 as the meat of the torque curve is a bit higher.

My only concern is that is the prop @Anderson24 is running and he was at 4k rpms...

[shawndoggy]

That’s how things go if you run heavy with the 1.72 tranny. Less weight will keep rpms down as will bow weight.

arse heavy and or lots of wedge with bow to the sky you have to spin more rpms to get the boat moving fed through the water because the prop shaft is at a more aggressive angle. I ran a more aggressive prop before this one and rpms weren’t really much different.  Biggest factor in bringing down rpms is balancing the boat front to back, not the prop.

I hit 41 mph with the 2279 at shasta (at redline) so it has plenty of top end. The 6.0 is a higher revving motor too. I wouldn’t get to hung up on an arbitrary rpm number. 

[Raimie]

On 11/13/2017 at 9:49 AM, Raimie said:

CS Mooring Cover and Bimini with surf/rope storage.

Base motor (409)

SP1 plus bow speakers

White tower

Surf Pipe, Surfgates, Power Wedge II

Spinner Racks

3 outlet heater - will add additional 4th vent using the 'y' adapter

Softgrip flooring

Ski Pylon

Depth finder

2nd battery w/switch

Entry Ladder

Cleats

Tower Quick release latch

Trailer: Alloy wheels, spare tire, white with elite shield coating

 

Things I will add later...

Soft grip on top deck. Will order gray to match floor from GatorStep and install myself.

SS Cupholders - Will order aftermarket from Amazon

Seat Riser

Sub/amp - maybe

Yesterday I was able to see a 2018 T22 in person and even get behind it for some surfing! Overall impression was very positive. As soon as you put one foot in the boat you can tell how much better the interior is on the '18. The cushions are much firmer and the vinyl feels much higher end. The glove box door is strong and a HUGE improvement from previous years. The gatorstep floor is very nice. I wasn't too impressed with the dash seeing it in pictures, but seeing it in person, I like it a lot. Pictures don't do it justice at all. Axis eliminated all the useless little cupholders and replaced/relocated them with the full size. The cupholder next to the glovebox was a great improvement. That will get used every time we go out. You can fit a 32oz stainless tumbler in the side groups of cupholders. I know on some Axis boats you cannot get one in there (or beer bottles). I was a little bummed that there is no CD player... I know, I know... but we have a few mix CDs that we really like that I just left in the boat. So, I just need to figure out the best way to overcome that.

They removed the pull straps on the rear lockers and instead there is a little spot where you can slip your fingers in between to open them. I will probably add a strap. We seem to open those all the time and I think my kids would have a very tough time without the strap.

Looks like winterization will be a lot easier with this engine, so that is a plus. Only hose you are removing is of the water pump, the rest is drained with threaded plastic plugs.

Got a chance to see the rear trailer steps in person. I see why everyone raves about that. It is very nice. I didn't add them on, but if I trailered more often I would for sure. I had to draw the line somewhere, it is so tempting to keep on checking those boxes!

Was surprised that vents on the p-n-p is an option. Felt nickeled and dimed on that one.

Was intrigued to hear there was a diesel option... then I heard the price... 38k MSRP on that option.

For the demo I am not sure what bags we ran in the rear lockers. I would guess around 550 as there was still a ton of room in there. We didn't have the bow bag so we put a ronix triangle on top of the seats. I ended up going with the standard prop (2249) on my build. Seemed to have no issue at all getting up to wakeboard speeds when we were fully loaded during the demo. I believe the max rpms seen when we were running at wakeboard speeds and surfing was 3800.

We played around with the wedge position and I loved how much you could change the height/length. I think we ended up somewhere in the middle while I was riding. I think this will be a lot of fun playing with when spring hits. I also like that I can dial the wave way down for smaller people or newbies without needing to mess with the ballast bags.

Wave seemed great and we had minimal fuel a light crew and small bags in the back.

Boat is ordered with a spray date of 1/2/18!

 

 

Edited November 25, 2017 by Raimie

[Wavemaker]

^Great write up^   I'm going in next week to take a hard look at these boats and this helps with some of the things I need to pay attention to. Thanks for all the details and pics are awesome!  Congrats!!

[shawndoggy]

@Raimie you can definitely definitely definitely get away with the taller prop.  The 2249 is too much and really offers zero advantage that I have found (running heavier than you did in your demo, and at altitude).

[ahopkins22LSV]

The new interiors of the Axis lineup are fantastic. Much better materials and well put together. I was with @Raimie to test that T22 yesterday and we were both very impressed. Also I didn't do a full sweep of the boat but we took the shipping cover off and helped prep it for the lake demo. So we were in and out of it a lot. Boat was is great shape from the factory. New gel lines are awesome and it performed great on the water. I didn't surf because I had the baby with me but messed around with the dash while and really liked it. Home run for axis imo. And for the price it's basically impossible to beat right now. T22 would be my surf boat if we were not skiers

Congrats on the order and I'll help take delivery in the spring if you want  

[Raimie]

19 hours ago, shawndoggy said:

@Raimie you can definitely definitely definitely get away with the taller prop.  The 2249 is too much and really offers zero advantage that I have found (running heavier than you did in your demo, and at altitude).

I'm confused... I believe the 2249 is standard and I know the 2773 is the high altitude/torque prop option. I'm not sure I'm following what you are saying Shawn. @shawndoggy

Edited November 26, 2017 by Raimie
corrected prop number on the high altitude

[Raimie]

2 hours ago, ahopkinsTXi said:

 

Congrats on the order and I'll help take delivery in the spring if you want  

Sounds like a plan!

[shawndoggy]

2 hours ago, Raimie said:

I'm confused... I believe the 2249 is standard and I know the 2273 is the high altitude/torque prop option. I'm not sure I'm following what you are saying Shawn. @shawndoggy

2249

2277

2277 = taller. 

On the 1.72, the 2249 performs a lot like a 2315 would've on the 1.5:1 transmission.  I've tried both.  The only advantage I could see with the 2249 is if you are wakeboarding super heavy and need to get over that 14-17 mph hump (maybe... hypothetically).  Hole shot is slightly less at my alt., but not "slow" by any means, just not "dislocate your shoulders" hard.  Honestly at 4000' it's about perfect for wakeboarding with moderate ballast/peeps or skiing with no ballast and 3-6 in the boat.

But for surfing, if you are gonna "hit the wall" it's going to be at the same speed with both, just with about 300 rpms higher with the 2249.  At your altitude, it's just overkill (IMHO, YMMV, etc etc).  The boat will not go faster with the more aggressive prop, it'll just spin higher rpms.

(obviously my experience is on the "old" hull, but with similar drivetrain)

 

[Raimie]

23 minutes ago, shawndoggy said:

2249

2277

2277 = taller. 

On the 1.72, the 2249 performs a lot like a 2315 would've on the 1.5:1 transmission.  I've tried both.  The only advantage I could see with the 2249 is if you are wakeboarding super heavy and need to get over that 14-17 mph hump (maybe... hypothetically).  Hole shot is slightly less at my alt., but not "slow" by any means, just not "dislocate your shoulders" hard.  Honestly at 4000' it's about perfect for wakeboarding with moderate ballast/peeps or skiing with no ballast and 3-6 in the boat.

But for surfing, if you are gonna "hit the wall" it's going to be at the same speed with both, just with about 300 rpms higher with the 2249.  At your altitude, it's just overkill (IMHO, YMMV, etc etc).  The boat will not go faster with the more aggressive prop, it'll just spin higher rpms.

(obviously my experience is on the "old" hull, but with similar drivetrain)

 

Ok, got it. But, the 2249 is the base prop. 2277 isn't an option.

[shawndoggy]

1 minute ago, Raimie said:

Ok, got it. But, the 2249 is the base prop. 2277 isn't an option.

you DEFINITELY don't want lower than the 2249.  Tried that too.  It sux.

[teamerickson]

What are the other stock prop options?

[Raimie]

10 hours ago, teamerickson said:

What are the other stock prop options?

I only know of the 2.

2249 is base

2773 is called high altitude/torque

 

[teamerickson]

2273 or 2773?

There has to be a taller option then the 2249?

Edited November 26, 2017 by teamerickson

[Raimie]

13 minutes ago, teamerickson said:

2273 or 2773?

There has to be a taller option then the 2249?

High Altitude/Torque - 15 x 13 - 2773

Sorry, that was a typo above