2016 G23 vs. 2017 24MXZ

[bamaboy]

6 hours ago, 85 Barefoot said:

This is not some new Centurion strategy guys.  This has been their strategy for YEARS.  And dare I say, they've been the foremost surfboats out there for that entire time period.  It's just an exposure thing now.  Centurion has had healthy growth for a while, it's not just the Ris.  

Were they really the best surf boats out there before the Ris?  I have admittedly never surfed one but I recall reading repeated mixed reviews of prior models.  

 

The Ris seem to be the first models that have unanimously blown riders away.  BICBW...

[Bawshogg]

They did well with marketing the fact that they were " The Premier Surf boat " early on. Probably THE first manufacturer to see the VALUE in the surf boat market. I think they kinda self proclaimed that title....not really knowing if they were or were not.....

I actually remember my first ride behind a sv240. I would definitely say that I was not compelled to say it was "the best" boat I had been behind at the time nor was I qualified..... I was riding an XTI with 10 friends lined up down the surf side of the boat.  That was probably 2006???? They hadn't begun marketing the SURF factor of their boats just quite yet. I actually think what really helped Centurion get turned onto the surfing craze was a group of Texas guys that were loathed around HERE and had a good Centurion dealer local to them. THEY..... THE WAKE OUTLAWS as they coined themselves, really helped push the sport at the time and they moved TO Centurions from Malibus because of that relationship and the distaste for THIS forum and its moderation.

Surfing behind a boat was not per say "new"... it just hadn't caught on yet. I think Centurion had built a surf specific boat as early as 1995. Using that background, and what was gaining steam with the wakeboard boat market at the time, they SELF proclaimed to be the kings.  The accidental part would be that they had always been a DEEP V wakeboard boat line..... Weight sensitive, handles like garbage, you know ...all the stuff that comes along with a DEEP V hull. What that did to their benefit was allow the boat to be "rolled over" or listed quite a bit easier thane a Malibu per say.  This is exactly was causes the washy finicky wakeboard wakes, but makes a better surf wave with less weight. They also were the first brand to jump into the wakesurf competitions and sponsor surf specific riders.

Once I did get some time under my belt and could actually provide a good opinion on what a good wave was, I had a chance to ride with those Texas boys a time or two on a supposedly  "dialed " centurion wave. Was it good? Yes. The main difference between it and a Malibu wave was the firmness. The wave was HARD!!! But at the time if I rated a Malibu wave a 7 out of 10, it was Maybe an 8. Problem was the rest of the boat was a turd pile. This is were the turning point with the RI series is.

The RI is NOT an ugly boat .  Handling and controls have improved greatly. The interior is HUGE leaps above what they once were.  The ACE for them is the fact that the RI series IS the premier surf system WAVE that all others should currently be measured against. THIS IS EVERYTHING THEY WERE NOT WHEN THEY SELF PROCLAIMED THE TITLE OF BEST SURF BOAT.  Albeit , it is a pretty one dimensional boat...it does ONE THING and does it well.

So to answer your question after my history lesson,  Was Centurion really the best surf boat in years past??? It was a decent surf by accident and a crappy boat by design.

 

[thtrog]

[85 Barefoot]

Baws characterizes things pretty accurately   

All my point was was that this surf-centric focus is nothing new from centurion, nor that their waves were arguably always the best, but that was about it.  

[wheelman]

I wouldn't say it's one dimensional however it definitely is marketed for surfing. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2T1vryjt0U

not a bad wakeboard review. 

[bamabonners]

On 12/2/2016 at 1:33 PM, shawndoggy said:

Hahaha back in the day @bamabonners accused me of being an MB plant (after having purchased a 'bu and put 160 hours on it.... all part of my elaborate plan of infiltration!).

 

What are you, an elephant or something?!  hell of a memory you have there @shawndoggy  LOL!!  I just didn't know you then...

[85 Barefoot]

3 hours ago, wheelman said:

I wouldn't say it's one dimensional however it definitely is marketed for surfing. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=W2T1vryjt0U

not a bad wakeboard review. 

Wheelman, please watch every waterski or wakeboard mag review of every boat and provide a link that was any less glowing than that.  

Bonner knows not to bite the hands that feed it.  You must not have been around when correct craft pulled out of the boat tests.  

Have you ever wakeboarded a centurion?  

[wheelman]

17 minutes ago, 85 Barefoot said:

Wheelman, please watch every waterski or wakeboard mag review of every boat and provide a link that was any less glowing than that.  

Bonner knows not to bite the hands that feed it.  You must not have been around when correct craft pulled out of the boat tests.  

Have you ever wakeboarded a centurion?  

Yes I've wakeboarded behind a centurion and pulled many pros behind one also. I have no illusion that a review is biased. All I was trying to show is that it is rideable and with the cats and higher speeds you can get the wake to clean up.  It is definitely not a boat for a beginner to wakeboard behind and nowhere near on par of many other wakeboard wakes. 

[85 Barefoot]

Great, it's "rideable".  Ironically, the exact same word I would have used for centurion wakeboard wakes. 

...but not one dimensional?  What other dimension does it so well in your opinion?

Edited December 4, 2016 by 85 Barefoot

[wheelman]

Just now, 85 Barefoot said:

Great, it's "rideable".  Ironically, the exact same word I would have used for centurion wakeboard wakes. 

...but not one dimensional?  What other dimension does it so well in your opinion?

You should see how it pulls a tube. It is the official boat being used to pull the world tubing association next year. Make sure you tune in for the live coverage on sports net next year. 

[The Hulk]

But... now can it pull tubes from the tower like a G? ... More fun roped up to a tower! I must say I'm jealous of the G's  tower ability to do this..  the kids behind the G's get more air ! Haha

[DarkSide]

One more observation,  keep in mind there are people willing to pay this same money for a cobalt because it says "SURF" on the side.

 

 

[The Hulk]

5 hours ago, DarkSide said:

One more observation,  keep in mind there are people willing to pay this same money for a cobalt because it says "SURF" on the side.

 

 

im actually surprised you didnt go this route and become the first to properly ballast one up!

[DarkSide]

Make no mistake i am still intreagued by a 28-30'er.  I think there are so many possibilities there.   However i am ready for hopefully a very active surf season with minimal down time.  I am not saying trouble free, as that is unrealistic, but minimal down time.  The 1:1 ratio of lake days to shop days does not work.  I suspect adding a few thousand pounds to a cobalt/chappie would stress things that have never been stressed.

[Sailvi767]

To clarify one thing posted earlier on this thread PNP bags are not included in the approved boat payload. If your boat has a 2200 lb payload and you have two 800lb PNP bags in the back your legal load is 600lbs.

[DarkSide]

1 hour ago, Sailvi767 said:

To clarify one thing posted earlier on this thread PNP bags are not included in the approved boat payload. If your boat has a 2200 lb payload and you have two 800lb PNP bags in the back your legal load is 600lbs.

Bingo!  You got it!  

This is true for boats that do not have bags shipped from the factory.  

Here is where it gets confusing, PNP is an option, but that option includes PLUMBING ONLY!  So any bag would count against your rating. 

Some boats have PNP options, where bags are included, in these the bags DO NOT count against your weight limits.

[shawndoggy]

you could always just remove your NMMA plate?

[DarkSide]

11 minutes ago, shawndoggy said:

you could always just remove your NMMA plate?

I always viewed this plate as a guideline rather than anactual rule . 

[teamerickson]

 

[Nitrousbird]

17 hours ago, DarkSide said:

I always viewed this plate as a guideline rather than anactual rule . 

It is a guideline because it isn't required in boat 20' or greater.  NMMA is just some non-gov't association that I can't for the life of me figure out why boat builders even care about being a part of.  I've never heard a boat owner care whether their boat had a NMMA plate on it or not.

[bamaboy]

Just now, Nitrousbird said:

It is a guideline because it isn't required in boat 20' or greater.  NMMA is just some non-gov't association that I can't for the life of me figure out why boat builders even care about being a part of.  I've never heard a boat owner care whether their boat had a NMMA plate on it or not.

Anyone ever notice that when you buy a new boat there is a fee to NMMA?

 

My last boat had an 82 dollar charge to "NMMA grow boating surcharge".  So we are the ones paying for it....

[DarkSide]

It is a self imposed guidline, not a "legal" issue.  The thing is its also basically completely arbitrary, the certification is based on what, the manufacturer submits for Certification.  

Example Chappie ssi 277 is just a little bigger than 25LSV  (277 swim platform counts in length)  and it is Yaght certified, so no weight limitations!    

So the only reason BU has a low limit is BU submits for lower limits.  

[Fman]

If someone who has 5000 lbs of ballast in there boat sinks it and has placard of 2300 lbs max stamped on it would insurance co. even care? Or investigate the boat being over loaded?

[The Hulk]

19 hours ago, shawndoggy said:

you could always just remove your NMMA plate?

Fastsigns.com the cheaper way to increase capacity!

[The Hulk]

1 hour ago, bamaboy said:

Anyone ever notice that when you buy a new boat there is a fee to NMMA?

 

My last boat had an 82 dollar charge to "NMMA grow boating surcharge".  So we are the ones paying for it....

A friend told me u can argue and opt out of the national go boating fund.. doubt the nmma one though