High gas prices

[Guest J-Ro]

Crude is down $28 since 7/11 and gas is down 25¢ on average. Thats a 19% and 6% drop respectively. Which makes sense since gas increases didn't increase at the same rate as oil.

[68Slalom]

Today I pumped regular at $3.84 per/gallon in Tracy, I think it will come down even more. Talks about alternative energy resources will drive the price down eventually. When Solar powered energy starts to grow more fossil fuels will start to become less of a resource that we require.

You'll start seeing more of these kinds of cars on the road:

http://www.aptera.com/details.php

Two people here at work have already put a deposit on this car and are having solar panels installed on the roofs of their houses

I think I could see myself driving one of these to work anyways

[hrybls]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/10/news/econo...sion=2008091006

Looks like Oil may stay above $100?

[CrazyTegger]

couple things i want to add...

being a canadian, i'm not sure why americans whine and complain about gas prices... your gas is say roughly 4.25 a gallon. in Canada, the cost today is 1.379/L Now let's do a conversion:

$1.379/L * 4L/1Gal = $5.516

i remeber when gas hit $4.00 a gallon and everyone was crying the end of the world! I would kill to be able to go back to $1.00/L we haven't seen that in Canada for at least two years...

even when the canadian dollar was stronger than the us, we still paid much more than you guys.

Also a note on supply and demand in the oil market. It is not based on supply and demand at all... prime example:

The Pedro Canada refinery in Edmonton Alberta was shut down. They supplied gas to all of the pedro canada gas stations in western canada. Most stations had no fuel for over 3 weeks. Larger and more important locations were given gas from other sources as to not loose too much business.

3 months of no fuel from the edmonton refinery, and NO change in gas prices... ironicaly, they went down 2 cents /liter during that period. Anyone who says that gas is based on supply and demand is feeding you crap. There's more at work than we know... i don't know exactly what, but there is something...

[LS-One]

couple things i want to add...

being a canadian, i'm not sure why americans whine and complain about gas prices... your gas is say roughly 4.25 a gallon. in Canada, the cost today is 1.379/L Now let's do a conversion:

$1.379/L * 4L/1Gal = $5.516

i remeber when gas hit $4.00 a gallon and everyone was crying the end of the world! I would kill to be able to go back to $1.00/L we haven't seen that in Canada for at least two years...

even when the canadian dollar was stronger than the us, we still paid much more than you guys.

Also a note on supply and demand in the oil market. It is not based on supply and demand at all... prime example:

The Pedro Canada refinery in Edmonton Alberta was shut down. They supplied gas to all of the pedro canada gas stations in western canada. Most stations had no fuel for over 3 weeks. Larger and more important locations were given gas from other sources as to not loose too much business.

3 months of no fuel from the edmonton refinery, and NO change in gas prices... ironicaly, they went down 2 cents /liter during that period. Anyone who says that gas is based on supply and demand is feeding you crap. There's more at work than we know... i don't know exactly what, but there is something...

Ten year chart of Canadian fuel prices:

Year Mo Dy Cents/Litre

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1998 01 17 52.9

1998 02 17 52.5

1998 03 30 47.9

1998 04 26 52.4

1998 05 24 52.4

1998 06 27 52.4

1998 07 19 51.9

1998 07 30 49.9

1998 07 31 55.9

1998 08 02 49.9

1998 08 05 56.9

1998 08 06 54.9

1998 08 06 55.9

1998 08 08 53.9

1998 08 10 59.4

1998 08 10 53.5

1998 08 11 53.9

1998 08 12 49.9

1998 08 16 50.9

1998 08 17 51.9

1998 09 02 55.9

1998 10 03 53.9

1998 10 31 53.7

1998 11 22 53.7

1998 12 20 49.9

1999 01 31 49.9

1999 02 28 49.9

1999 04 01 58.9

1999 04 15 58.6

1999 05 07 58.4

1999 06 07 60.5

1999 07 16 62.9

1999 09 27 64.9

1999 12 05 64.9

1999 12 31 61.9

2000 01 23 64.9

2000 02 11 64.9

2000 03 07 72.9

2000 04 03 71.9

2000 04 04 67.9

2000 04 04 68.9

2000 04 05 66.9

2000 04 06 72.9

2000 04 06 71.9

2000 04 06 69.5

2000 04 07 72.9

2000 04 08 71.9

2000 04 08 75.9

2000 04 08 75.5

2000 04 09 72.9

2000 04 10 65.9

2000 04 11 62.5

2000 04 24 62.7

2000 04 25 67.9

2000 04 26 72.9

2000 04 27 67.3

2000 04 28 74.9

2000 04 30 62.5

2000 05 01 67.9

2000 05 01 61.9

2000 05 02 62.9

2000 05 03 67.9

2000 07 27 76.9

2000 08 27 76.9

2000 09 29 80.9

2000 11 02 79.9

2000 11 19 79.9

2000 12 21 75.9

2001 01 26 73.9

2001 03 02 73.9

2001 04 16 71.9

2001 05 29 82.9

2001 07 06 73.9

2001 07 28 72.9

2001 07 30 67.9

2001 08 02 66.9

2001 08 05 63.9

2001 08 07 67.9

2001 08 11 71.9

2001 09 18 81.9

2001 10 19 73.9

2001 11 17 66.9

2001 12 21 61.9

2002 01 23 63.9

2002 02 21 63.9

2002 03 06 70.9

2002 04 15 75.0

2002 05 25 75.5

2002 05 26 75.5

2002 06 26 75.5

2002 06 27 72.9

2002 06 27 72.9

2002 07 02 69.4

2002 07 04 72.9

2002 07 04 72.9

2002 07 23 77.9

2002 08 30 77.9

2002 10 05 77.5

2002 11 09 77.5

2002 12 13 74.5

2002 12 31 74.5

2003 02 14 84.9

2003 03 09 88.4

2003 04 11 83.5

2003 05 11 79.9

2003 06 13 79.9

2003 07 15 79.9

2003 07 27 79.9

2003 08 26 89.9

2003 09 26 79.9

2003 10 26 76.9

2003 11 08 76.9

2003 12 01 74.5

2003 12 16 74.5

2004 01 06 74.5

2004 01 20 77.5

2004 01 31 79.9

2004 02 21 79.9

2004 03 09 84.9

2004 03 30 84.9

2004 04 18 87.5

2004 05 09 95.9

2004 06 08 98.5

2004 06 28 94.9

2004 07 13 93.9

2004 08 03 93.9

2004 08 29 93.9

2004 09 16 93.9

2004 10 03 93.9

2004 10 23 93.9

2004 11 09 92.5

2004 12 06 87.9

2004 12 18 89.9

2005 01 08 82.9

2005 01 21 82.9

2005 02 03 94.9

2005 02 08 88.9

2005 02 21 88.9

2005 03 04 92.9

2005 03 16 92.9

2005 04 05 96.9

2005 04 17 102.9

2005 05 03 107.9

2005 05 15 100.9

2005 05 29 96.9

2005 06 08 96.9

2005 06 19 99.9

2005 07 02 105.9

2005 07 09 86.4

2005 07 24 99.9

2005 08 08 104.9

2005 08 16 108.9

2005 09 02 117.9

2005 09 17 114.9

2005 09 30 114.9

2005 10 04 113.9

2005 10 21 106.9

2005 11 01 100.9

2005 11 16 96.9

2005 11 26 94.9

2005 12 09 91.9

2005 12 27 91.9

2006 01 12 102.9

2006 01 21 96.9

2006 02 04 93.9

2006 02 17 93.9

2006 02 24 93.9

2006 03 08 97.9

2006 03 19 101.9

2006 03 28 106.9

2006 04 10 110.9

2006 04 22 115.9

2006 05 09 119.9

2006 05 25 119.9

2006 06 07 119.9

2006 06 27 114.9

2006 07 07 115.9

2006 07 15 115.1

2006 07 21 115.1

2006 08 03 119.9

2006 08 19 117.9

2006 09 02 103.9

2006 09 14 101.9

2006 09 28 99.9

2006 10 11 99.9

2006 10 25 99.9

2006 11 05 97.9

2006 11 18 99.9

2006 12 02 99.9

2006 12 14 103.9

2006 12 27 106.9

2007 01 11 104.9

2007 01 23 98.9

2007 02 03 95.9

2007 02 15 99.9

2007 03 03 102.9

2007 03 17 110.5

2007 04 06 114.5

2007 04 21 118.5

2007 05 24 122.5

2007 06 07 116.5

2007 06 19 111.5

2007 06 30 111.5

2007 07 04 105.9

2007 07 05 110.0

2007 07 06 113.9

2007 07 07 100.9

2007 07 08 113.9

2007 07 08 110.9

2007 07 11 114.4

2007 07 12 114.9

2007 07 13 121.9

2007 07 13 106.9

2007 07 15 106.5

2007 07 17 106.4

2007 07 19 098.0

2007 07 21 099.2

2007 07 24 097.1

2007 07 25 094.4

2007 07 27 108.7

2007 07 27 106.9

2007 07 28 105.5

2007 07 28 116.9

2007 07 29 110.9

2007 07 29 113.9

2007 07 30 111.9

2007 07 30 105.9

2007 07 31 109.4

2007 07 31 099.4

2007 08 08 108.9

2007 08 24 105.9

2007 09 07 109.9

2007 09 16 109.9

2007 09 26 106.9

2007 10 06 102.9

2007 10 17 101.9

2007 10 25 100.9

2007 11 02 105.9

2007 11 12 105.9

2007 11 21 109.9

2007 11 25 109.9

2007 12 04 109.9

2007 12 13 107.9

2007 12 21 107.9

2008 01 07 109.9

2008 01 15 109.9

2008 01 24 107.9

2008 02 03 107.9

2008 02 11 107.9

2008 02 22 113.9

2008 02 25 110.4

2008 03 01 113.9

2008 03 09 113.9

2008 03 19 117.9

2008 03 28 121.4

2008 04 06 121.4

2008 04 15 121.4

2008 04 23 124.9

2008 05 02 129.9

2008 05 14 136.9

2008 05 25 136.9

2008 06 02 136.9

2008 06 07 139.9

2008 06 13 136.4

2008 06 22 146.9

Date is year, month, day. The price is listed in cents (unadjusted).

Most of the fuel was purchased in Victoria.

Some was purchased as far east as Toronto.

I'll just throw a wild guess out there and say the reason we Americans are upset with fuel prices is how how quickly the price went up in America compared to Canada.

Edited September 10, 2008 by LS-One

[hrybls]

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/10/news/econo...sion=2008091006

Looks like Oil may stay above $100?

I take it Back, it looks like Ike will hurt some Refinerey's, so oil storage levels will rise therefore oil will drop, however Gas prices should shoot up short term.

[jetskipro550]

Wife text me while at work yesterday to say that Costco gas is down to 2.89 for regular. I forgot to ask her about it last night, but I am seeing it as low as 3.19 at other stations so it may be true.

[Malibudude]

Barrel of Oil is now at $75, while I'd like to see it lower it is certainly better than over 100!

[Calexan]

It's down to 2.63 at Sams Club here in AR. It's good to finally see it going down! Hope it keeps dropping.

[electricjohn]

Prices are getting more tolerable. But it is the summer prices I am more interested in when I can burn 35 GPD for three weeks straight.

[-BS-]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

A website full of people who burn gas like its going out of style (FOR FUN) whining about gas prices..........PRICELESS!

[blue]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

You guys have it easy in America, in Aus its $1.60 a Litre for gas!

[uk_exile]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

You guys have it easy in America, in Aus its $1.60 a Litre for gas!

You ozzies also have it easy ! Until a couple of weeks ago it over $2 here in NZ. But we've still got it easy compard to prices in UK & Europe.

[jjackkrash]

I filled up for $2.81 today in Sachse, Texas. I have to keep reminding myself that they are still raping us at that price, but it sure beats $4.25.

Edited October 15, 2008 by jjackkrash

[jetskipro550]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

A website full of people who burn gas like its going out of style (FOR FUN) whining about gas prices..........PRICELESS!

Your right, we should stop complaining about getting screwed over by our government (not building refineries/drilling for oil), OPEC (keeping supply low), and environmentalists (blended fuels) because we don't deserve to pay a fair price for a much needed commodity.

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

You guys have it easy in America, in Aus its $1.60 a Litre for gas!

I haven't heard that one before

[-BS-]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

A website full of people who burn gas like its going out of style (FOR FUN) whining about gas prices..........PRICELESS!

Your right, we should stop complaining about getting screwed over by our government (not building refineries/drilling for oil), OPEC (keeping supply low), and environmentalists (blended fuels) because we don't deserve to pay a fair price for a much needed commodity.

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

You guys have it easy in America, in Aus its $1.60 a Litre for gas!

I haven't heard that one before

Like in ANY situation where you are the consumer........If you don't like the product, don't buy it. Whether it is the price, quality, customer service, or business practices of the supplier....IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT, DON"T BUY IT! I understand that everyone "needs" a certain amount of fuel to function in the world we live in, but COME ON!! I take it you own a boat and a (somewhat gas guzzling) rig to tow that boat. Jet skis too? Don't you think that, just slightly, exceeds your "need" for fuel. How do you define "much needed" commodity!?! It seems to me that people like ME and you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. We cause demand to stay high. We are the ones who keep boating and burning fuel when the suppliers raise their prices. It is insane to complain about a problem that you/me/we are contributing to! Its like listening to a guy complain about how heavy all his money is!

I will listen to a trucker complain about gas prices all day long. They NEED it to bring goods to market. They NEED it to help drive the economy. They NEED it to stay in business. Listening to a guy, who basically burns a "much needed commodity" for fun, complain about the cost of his CHOSEN behavior is.....well...like you said ...

[jetskipro550]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

A website full of people who burn gas like its going out of style (FOR FUN) whining about gas prices..........PRICELESS!

Your right, we should stop complaining about getting screwed over by our government (not building refineries/drilling for oil), OPEC (keeping supply low), and environmentalists (blended fuels) because we don't deserve to pay a fair price for a much needed commodity.

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

You guys have it easy in America, in Aus its $1.60 a Litre for gas!

I haven't heard that one before

Like in ANY situation where you are the consumer........If you don't like the product, don't buy it. Whether it is the price, quality, customer service, or business practices of the supplier....IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT, DON"T BUY IT! I understand that everyone "needs" a certain amount of fuel to function in the world we live in, but COME ON!! I take it you own a boat and a (somewhat gas guzzling) rig to tow that boat. Jet skis too? Don't you think that, just slightly, exceeds your "need" for fuel. How do you define "much needed" commodity!?! It seems to me that people like ME and you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. We cause demand to stay high. We are the ones who keep boating and burning fuel when the suppliers raise their prices. It is insane to complain about a problem that you/me/we are contributing to! Its like listening to a guy complain about how heavy all his money is!

I will listen to a trucker complain about gas prices all day long. They NEED it to bring goods to market. They NEED it to help drive the economy. They NEED it to stay in business. Listening to a guy, who basically burns a "much needed commodity" for fun, complain about the cost of his CHOSEN behavior is.....well...like you said ...

I don't own a boat, a tow rig, or jet skis. My dad owns a boat and tow rig that I use in the summer months. I own two, 4 cylinder cars that get great gas mileage. I drive 120 miles a day for work and don't really have the option not to use gas. I used to car pool, but due to my schedule I can't do that anymore. If I could work in town I would ride my bicycle as much as possible, but that's not an option right now.

Edited October 16, 2008 by jetskipro550

[-BS-]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

A website full of people who burn gas like its going out of style (FOR FUN) whining about gas prices..........PRICELESS!

Your right, we should stop complaining about getting screwed over by our government (not building refineries/drilling for oil), OPEC (keeping supply low), and environmentalists (blended fuels) because we don't deserve to pay a fair price for a much needed commodity.

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

You guys have it easy in America, in Aus its $1.60 a Litre for gas!

I haven't heard that one before

Like in ANY situation where you are the consumer........If you don't like the product, don't buy it. Whether it is the price, quality, customer service, or business practices of the supplier....IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT, DON"T BUY IT! I understand that everyone "needs" a certain amount of fuel to function in the world we live in, but COME ON!! I take it you own a boat and a (somewhat gas guzzling) rig to tow that boat. Jet skis too? Don't you think that, just slightly, exceeds your "need" for fuel. How do you define "much needed" commodity!?! It seems to me that people like ME and you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. We cause demand to stay high. We are the ones who keep boating and burning fuel when the suppliers raise their prices. It is insane to complain about a problem that you/me/we are contributing to! Its like listening to a guy complain about how heavy all his money is!

I will listen to a trucker complain about gas prices all day long. They NEED it to bring goods to market. They NEED it to help drive the economy. They NEED it to stay in business. Listening to a guy, who basically burns a "much needed commodity" for fun, complain about the cost of his CHOSEN behavior is.....well...like you said ...

I don't own a boat, a tow rig, or jet skis. My dad owns a boat and tow rig that I use in the summer months. I own two, 4 cylinder cars that get great gas mileage. I drive 120 miles a day for work and don't really have the option not to use gas. I used to car pool, but due to my schedule I can't do that anymore. If I could work in town I would ride my bicycle as much as possible, but that's not an option right now.

Hmmm.... Screen name: Jetskipro ...... Boat listed: Sanger........ Avatar: 2 jet skis

First, I must apologize for the confusion........I have no idea why I would have assumed you owned those things.

Second, We live in Oregon...99% of us boat during "the summer months".

Third, It doesn't matter whose name the gun is in if you shoot someone. Or whose name the boat is in if YOU are burning gas in it.

Last, you said "WE should stop complaining about getting screwed" thus assuming the voice of the people I was ('tongue in cheek') teasing for whining about gas prices. Those people ARE, for the most part, gas burning, boat owning, SUV/truck owning people JUST LIKE ME.

The point remains the same: If you don't like the product, DON'T BUY IT.

P.S. Which burns more gas: 120 miles a day in a 4 cyl car OR 60 miles a day (25 in a 4 cyl, 35 in a V8..... that's my entire household)?

[Sixball]

$2.93 for reg in Mid Michigan.

[jetskipro550]

Gas (oil to be specific) is a much needed product. There is no way you can say that it's a choice because it isn't. This day in age, there is no viable substitute to gas. Maybe for people who live a "simple" life , they could get away without it but I am willing to bet that 99% of the US couldn't. I understand your point, that we shouldn't complain too much about the price of gas when it comes to boating because we are making a choice to use our boats, and I am the first to admit that I use fuel when I don't need to (boating). With that said, there are many other aspects of our lives where using fuel isn't a choice and there is no way around using it. My biggest gripe is that there is no reason for gas prices to be as high as they are. Even right now as they are dropping fast, they are too high. I don't mind paying a fair price, but we aren't paying a fair price. We are paying a price that isn't determined by the laws of supply and demand.

[WakeGirl]

P.S. Which burns more gas: 120 miles a day in a 4 cyl car OR 60 miles a day (25 in a 4 cyl, 35 in a V8..... that's my entire household)?

I'm trying to figure out the point to that one. You burn more gas in a day? So what. We all use it & need it. To say stop using it is an incredibly simplistic & highly unrealistic answer to the problem.

BTW, gas is still about 3.40/gallon here. It's a conspiracy I'm tellin' ya, we're not that far from the Valley for cripe's sake.

[jetskipro550]

P.S. Which burns more gas: 120 miles a day in a 4 cyl car OR 60 miles a day (25 in a 4 cyl, 35 in a V8..... that's my entire household)?

I'm trying to figure out the point to that one. You burn more gas in a day? So what. We all use it & need it. To say stop using it is an incredibly simplistic & highly unrealistic answer to the problem.

BTW, gas is still about 3.40/gallon here. It's a conspiracy I'm tellin' ya, we're not that far from the Valley for cripe's sake.

I went to Costco today and it had dropped again to 2.87! I could hardly believe it when I pulled up! Premium was 3.19 though.

[hrybls]

Well I am suprised to see it this low, this quickly. This is causing specualtion of shut down/delay of new oilsands projects, decreased drilling etc. So we will see who will lead the race going forward; demand destruction or shrinking supply.......only time will tell.

[Malibudude]

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

A website full of people who burn gas like its going out of style (FOR FUN) whining about gas prices..........PRICELESS!

Your right, we should stop complaining about getting screwed over by our government (not building refineries/drilling for oil), OPEC (keeping supply low), and environmentalists (blended fuels) because we don't deserve to pay a fair price for a much needed commodity.

Gas.... $3.50 a gallon.

Diesel....$4.25 a gallon.

You guys have it easy in America, in Aus its $1.60 a Litre for gas!

I haven't heard that one before

Like in ANY situation where you are the consumer........If you don't like the product, don't buy it. Whether it is the price, quality, customer service, or business practices of the supplier....IF YOU ARE UNHAPPY WITH THE PRODUCT, DON"T BUY IT! I understand that everyone "needs" a certain amount of fuel to function in the world we live in, but COME ON!! I take it you own a boat and a (somewhat gas guzzling) rig to tow that boat. Jet skis too? Don't you think that, just slightly, exceeds your "need" for fuel. How do you define "much needed" commodity!?! It seems to me that people like ME and you are part of the problem, not part of the solution. We cause demand to stay high. We are the ones who keep boating and burning fuel when the suppliers raise their prices. It is insane to complain about a problem that you/me/we are contributing to! Its like listening to a guy complain about how heavy all his money is!

I will listen to a trucker complain about gas prices all day long. They NEED it to bring goods to market. They NEED it to help drive the economy. They NEED it to stay in business. Listening to a guy, who basically burns a "much needed commodity" for fun, complain about the cost of his CHOSEN behavior is.....well...like you said ...

I don't own a boat, a tow rig, or jet skis. My dad owns a boat and tow rig that I use in the summer months. I own two, 4 cylinder cars that get great gas mileage. I drive 120 miles a day for work and don't really have the option not to use gas. I used to car pool, but due to my schedule I can't do that anymore. If I could work in town I would ride my bicycle as much as possible, but that's not an option right now.

Hmmm.... Screen name: Jetskipro ...... Boat listed: Sanger........ Avatar: 2 jet skis

First, I must apologize for the confusion........I have no idea why I would have assumed you owned those things.

Second, We live in Oregon...99% of us boat during "the summer months".

Third, It doesn't matter whose name the gun is in if you shoot someone. Or whose name the boat is in if YOU are burning gas in it.

Last, you said "WE should stop complaining about getting screwed" thus assuming the voice of the people I was ('tongue in cheek') teasing for whining about gas prices. Those people ARE, for the most part, gas burning, boat owning, SUV/truck owning people JUST LIKE ME.

The point remains the same: If you don't like the product, DON'T BUY IT.

P.S. Which burns more gas: 120 miles a day in a 4 cyl car OR 60 miles a day (25 in a 4 cyl, 35 in a V8..... that's my entire household)?

Most of us are highly skeptical with the pricing for fuel. Why did the cost of fuel go up when demand didn’t justify the means? The whole supply and demand theory just doesn’t add up when it comes to the price at the pump. There is a whole industry out there dependent upon boat sales and other boating accessories for their lively hood. Face it our country is based around fuel and dependent upon it even if the use of it is for pleasure. Watching a an 18month old surf and 3yo ski is priceless, not the complaining about fuel costs……

[-BS-]

Gas (oil to be specific) is a much needed product. There is no way you can say that it's a choice because it isn't. This day in age, there is no viable substitute to gas. Maybe for people who live a "simple" life , they could get away without it but I am willing to bet that 99% of the US couldn't. I understand your point, that we shouldn't complain too much about the price of gas when it comes to boating because we are making a choice to use our boats, and I am the first to admit that I use fuel when I don't need to (boating). With that said, there are many other aspects of our lives where using fuel isn't a choice and there is no way around using it. My biggest gripe is that there is no reason for gas prices to be as high as they are. Even right now as they are dropping fast, they are too high. I don't mind paying a fair price, but we aren't paying a fair price. We are paying a price that isn't determined by the laws of supply and demand.

I got ya.....but since when does the consumer determine what "fair" price is? Don't get me wrong: the cheaper, the better. I'm not made of money either. I just refuse to waste my breath complaining about something when I am a major part of the problem.