Gas, $3.75 a gallon by Summer Estimated

[JohnDoe]

Well we elected an ultra conservative with absolutely no experience and look where that got us! A liberal (which he isn't really by the way) has to be better than that! I say he's not liberal because the definition of liberal is not anyone who is not a right-wing extremist. Read one of his books Mike, you may be surprised. Lastly, it was the Star-Spangled Banner and there is no requirement to have your hand over heart, though I do, and understand people's gripes that he should as well, but it was not the pledge.

Hey John, haven't seen you around much lately. I figured some good liberal bashing would bring you out. OK, point by point...

GW is an "ultra-conservative"?

"with no experience"...well, except for that whole Governor of Texas thing, right?

Obama is a liberal. His voting record places him to the left of the Kennedy's. Which I didn't know was possible.

Why do you assume that I haven't read any of his books? No one is as well read as you, right?

You stating that the photo was during the Star Spangled Banner is the first that I've ever heard that. I have heard that picture interpreted ad nauseum and it has always been referred to as "The Pledge" photo. I really hate to agree with Hillary but she is correct in saying that the ability to deliver an inspiring speech does not equate to the ability to lead the most powerful nation on earth.

Ahhh, the days!! I bet Batman is getting a good chuckle!

All a matter of perspective, Norcal!

I didn't know it was for the Star Spangled Banner either until I snope'd it in preparation of my response! I figured if a photo is going to be used to define someone's allegiance, it should at least be put in the correct context.

I don't know that I agree with Hillary. Leadership is in fact sometimes defined by inspiration and conviction, even if he's not who has signed the most legislation in the past. I like a President who surrounds himself with the best and brightest, makes you proud when he speaks, and convinces you that what he's saying is correct. I saw that in Reagan, I saw it in Clinton..Bush..not so much. But I do see it in Obama, and it is inspiring to me, and I think, he's what the country needs. Feel free to disagree with your vote.

Why do I assume you haven't read his books? Because anyone who has read his books knows there isn't anything socialistic about him. I wouldn't have brought it up if you had not said "And anyone who says that socialism is not the Obama agenda is either stupid or intellectually dishonest", which is utterly ridiculous. Nothing personal, I just don't like being called stupid, because I am not intellectually dishonest.

[JohnDoe]

...anyways, about gas, it's ridiculous!

[NorCaliBu]

...there isn't anything socialistic about him...

More government and higher taxes in order to pay for a much enlarged entitlement structure is socialism. Be it socialized health care, increased welfare entitlements,...taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who don't is socialism.

...anyways, about gas, it's ridiculous!

How much more will $4.00/gal hurt when we're bringing home less $$ due to higher taxes.

[auto]

I like a President who surrounds himself with the best and brightest, makes you proud when he speaks, and convinces you that what he's saying is correct. I saw that in Reagan, I saw it in Clinton..Bush..not so much. But I do see it in Obama, and it is inspiring to me, and I think, he's what the country needs. Feel free to disagree with your vote.

Why do I assume you haven't read his books? Because anyone who has read his books knows there isn't anything socialistic about him. I wouldn't have brought it up if you had not said "And anyone who says that socialism is not the Obama agenda is either stupid or intellectually dishonest", which is utterly ridiculous. Nothing personal, I just don't like being called stupid, because I am not intellectually dishonest.

Well John you are showing your a** in clear fashion. Most Bushes advisors came from Bush 41 who came from the Reagan Years. Most of Billary's advisor's have come from the Klinton years. Lets just start there and continue.

Anybody who wants to increase marginal tax rates, tax rates on Captila Gains, or dividends and spend them on social programs is not a Captialist and therefrore a Socialist by definition. Let's not even get started about gun rights or any of the other important stuff.

If you don't like being called stupid, do your homework. One need not read Obama's book to know what he is about.

[bigD]

Lastly, it was the Star-Spangled Banner and there is no requirement to have your hand over heart, though I do, and understand people's gripes that he should as well, but it was not the pledge.

I haven't said the Pledge since grade school,but when the Star-Spangled Banner was played when I was in the Service and every ball game or race I've been to you stand at attention and salute if in uniform and civilians put their right hand over their heart. A government employee that receives a pay check from We The People should be ashamed for not doing so out of respect for what that song is about and stands for.

But the Liberals probably don't do that in Berkley Ca. either

Edit: $4.10 for Diesel today,$1200+ to fill up our tractor at work

Was that a delivered price ?

We actually probably get it a few cents cheaper for Ag gas. I don't see the $ invoice, just sign the tag for gallons pumped. It's a 300 g tank on a Case STX 450 Quadtrac ,he pumped around 280+ gallons, ouch.

[footnlongline]

After reading many of these post I can see why America has a troubling future. Many of us base our opinions with no substance or facts to back them and then have the gall to actually argue the point. Since we are so irrational, why don't we blame our own ignorance on G.W, too? Maurice Lenel filed for bankruptcy because wheat prices are at a all time high. Check this out, http://work.mullen.com/clients/grain-foods/video7.php

[JohnDoe]

I like a President who surrounds himself with the best and brightest, makes you proud when he speaks, and convinces you that what he's saying is correct. I saw that in Reagan, I saw it in Clinton..Bush..not so much. But I do see it in Obama, and it is inspiring to me, and I think, he's what the country needs. Feel free to disagree with your vote.

Why do I assume you haven't read his books? Because anyone who has read his books knows there isn't anything socialistic about him. I wouldn't have brought it up if you had not said "And anyone who says that socialism is not the Obama agenda is either stupid or intellectually dishonest", which is utterly ridiculous. Nothing personal, I just don't like being called stupid, because I am not intellectually dishonest.

Well John you are showing your a** in clear fashion. Most Bushes advisors came from Bush 41 who came from the Reagan Years. Most of Billary's advisor's have come from the Klinton years. Lets just start there and continue.

Anybody who wants to increase marginal tax rates, tax rates on Captila Gains, or dividends and spend them on social programs is not a Captialist and therefrore a Socialist by definition. Let's not even get started about gun rights or any of the other important stuff.

If you don't like being called stupid, do your homework. One need not read Obama's book to know what he is about.

Thanks for putting me in my place.

[JohnDoe]

...there isn't anything socialistic about him...

More government and higher taxes in order to pay for a much enlarged entitlement structure is socialism. Be it socialized health care, increased welfare entitlements,...taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who don't is socialism.

...anyways, about gas, it's ridiculous!

How much more will $4.00/gal hurt when we're bringing home less $$ due to higher taxes.

I know there is no convincing you, but hope your candidate just runs a fair race. We can discuss in November and stop hijacking this thread on gas. Oh, I almost forgot, that was below $1.50 when GW took office.

[NorCaliBu]

...that [the price of gas] was below $1.50 when GW took office.

National average in June of 2000 was $1.64/gal (major metropolitan areas were paying just over $2/gal). I couldn't find any reference to gas prices in December of 2000 so I went and pulled my taxes for that year...In Nor Cal we were paying ~$2.12/gal depending on the area (I traveled the entire north state back then and the Bay Area was higher but we'll use Sac prices). That made me want to look up what I was paying when Clinton took office as there is this hue and cry that Bush is responsible for gas prices. Well, in December of 1992 I was filling up my company minivan for 87¢/gal.

So...let's see, using Nor Cal prices...

Clinton comes into office at 87¢/gal

Clinton leaves office at $2.12/gal

An increase of 143%

Bush comes in at $2.12/gal

It's currently ~ $3.60/gal

An increase of 70%

Now I'm not defending gas prices...I'm just saying...There's enough blame to go around and prices aren't higher because of GW. Just like they didn't more than double because of Slick Willy®. Once again...just looking for a little intellectual honesty.

[JohnDoe]

Good grief. I hope everyone enjoys their summer and that gas prices don't keep anyone off the water. Wait, maybe I do

[NorCaliBu]

Good grief. I hope everyone enjoys their summer and that gas prices don't keep anyone off the water. Wait, maybe I do

Typical. You make an inaccurate assertion ($1.50 gas in Dec 2000) and when you're called on it your response is a glib, thinly veiled insult. Some things never change. Have nice summer JD.

[68Slalom]

This was fun to read, first thing waking up! Now I have to get to work and spend $4.00 over the bridge and $12.50 in gas to work 2 hrs, I'm thinking an electric car sounds good about now.

[JohnDoe]

Good grief. I hope everyone enjoys their summer and that gas prices don't keep anyone off the water. Wait, maybe I do

Typical. You make an inaccurate assertion ($1.50 gas in Dec 2000) and when you're called on it your response is a glib, thinly veiled insult. Some things never change. Have nice summer JD.

Actually I said it was below $1.50 when GW took office. Don't Presidents get sworn in in January? And I just researched the price of gas in 2001 and I confirmed that several times during 2001 gas was below 1.50 and according to another source I just checked was an average of $1.52. But I'm sure you can find another source besides your taxes documenting the higher price of gas in 2001, but it really does not matter to me. Prices in my locale are obviously lower than yours. And as for insult, was nothing more than a joke that I'd like to compete with fewer other boats for good water this year. I hope everyine enjoys their summer, even you.

[Addictedto6]

Gas prices suck and they are going to get worse not better. Nothing the government can really do about it except provide leadership/motivation for a manhattan project/moon landing type of effort for alternative sources of energy & technology advancement. With India and China industrializing at the rate they are, the competition for the fossil fuels is just going to get worse.

Some Historical Gas Prices (national average, regular, not adjusted for inflation)

Aug 20, 1990 119.1

Jan 21, 1991 119.2

Jan 20, 1992 101.4

Jan 18, 1993 106.1 (Clinton Takes Office)

Jan 24, 1994 99.9

Jan 23, 1995 106.8

Jan 22, 1996 108.4

Jan 20, 1997 123.6

Jan 19, 1998 107.2

Jan 18, 1999 92.1

Jan 17, 2000 126.8

Jan 22, 2001 145.6 (Bush Takes Office)

Jan 7, 2002 110.9

Jan 20, 2003 142.2

Jan 19, 2004 157.9

Jan 17, 2005 180.2

Jan 22, 2007 210.7

Jan 21, 2008 299.1

Note: this is for regular, not reformulated.

Edited March 15, 2008 by Addictedto6

[Addictedto6]

All regular unleaded formulations (regular & reformulated)

Jan 21, 1991 119.2

Jan 20, 1992 101.4

Jan 18, 1993 106.1

Jan 17, 1994 100.1

Jan 16, 1995 107.8

Jan 15, 1996 109.8

Jan 20, 1997 124.1

Jan 19, 1998 108.3

Jan 18, 1999 94.4

Jan 17, 2000 127.7

Jan 15, 2001 147.4

Jan 21, 2002 110.5

Jan 20, 2003 145.9

Jan 19, 2004 159.5

Jan 17, 2005 181.9

Jan 16, 2006 232

Jan 15, 2007 222.9

Jan 21, 2008 301.7

Mar 10, 2008 322.5

Edited March 15, 2008 by Addictedto6

[REW]

Gas prices suck and they are going to get worse not better. Nothing the government can really do about it except provide leadership/motivation for a manhattan project/moon landing type of effort for alternative sources of energy & technology advancement. With India and China industrializing at the rate they are, the competition for the fossil fuels is just going to get worse.

A real effort for an alternative fuel would be nice, the mandate for putting food in our tanks was a sell out to the farm lobby. Commodities have gone through the roof corn is up 20%, wheet 120% and up soy beans 120%. until then getting to our own supply of oil might be a good idea as well. Limiting the supply by not getting what we know is avaliable only increases the cost for what supply there is.

[Addictedto6]

until then getting to our own supply of oil might be a good idea as well.

From where? Even if US opens up ANWR to drilling, it's not a long term solution

From wikipedia based on the USGS survey results:

"A 1998 United States Geological Survey (USGS) study indicated at least 4.3 billion (95% probability) and possibly as much as 11.8 billion (5% probability) barrels (0.9 to 2.5 km³) of technically recoverable oil exists in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1002 area, with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (1.7 km³)"

"The U.S. consumes about 20 million barrels daily. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge oil reserves were used to supply 5% of the U.S. daily consumption -- most is imported from Canada (19%), Mexico (15%), Saudi Arabia (11.5%), Nigeria (10.5%) and Venezuela (10.5%)[11] -- the reserves, using the low figure of 4.3 billion barrels, would last approximately 4300 days, or almost 12 years. Using the high estimate, the reserves would last approximately 11800 days, or 32 years. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was used to meet 100% of U.S. demand, it would last for 215 days under the low estimate, and 525 days or just 1.4 years if it contained 10.4 billion barrels."

Edited March 16, 2008 by Addictedto6

[68Slalom]

until then getting to our own supply of oil might be a good idea as well.

From where? Even if US opens up ANWR to drilling, it's not a long term solution

From wikipedia based on the USGS survey results:

"A 1998 United States Geological Survey (USGS) study indicated at least 4.3 billion (95% probability) and possibly as much as 11.8 billion (5% probability) barrels (0.9 to 2.5 km³) of technically recoverable oil exists in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1002 area, with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (1.7 km³)"

"The U.S. consumes about 20 million barrels daily. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge oil reserves were used to supply 5% of the U.S. daily consumption -- most is imported from Canada (19%), Mexico (15%), Saudi Arabia (11.5%), Nigeria (10.5%) and Venezuela (10.5%)[11] -- the reserves, using the low figure of 4.3 billion barrels, would last approximately 4300 days, or almost 12 years. Using the high estimate, the reserves would last approximately 11800 days, or 32 years. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was used to meet 100% of U.S. demand, it would last for 215 days under the low estimate, and 525 days or just 1.4 years if it contained 10.4 billion barrels."

20 million barrels, is that right? That seems really high, I thought I read somewhere it was 10-11 million barrels a day maybe it's the gallons in each barrel we are seeing the difference.

I thought we had sources off the coast of Alaska and Florida that could provide more oil than all these mentioned combined, but the gov't does not want to drill for environmental safety reasons and pollution. I know that is not the answer but it's a source that we haven't tapped into.

Edited March 16, 2008 by 68Slalom

[Addictedto6]

until then getting to our own supply of oil might be a good idea as well.

From where? Even if US opens up ANWR to drilling, it's not a long term solution

From wikipedia based on the USGS survey results:

"A 1998 United States Geological Survey (USGS) study indicated at least 4.3 billion (95% probability) and possibly as much as 11.8 billion (5% probability) barrels (0.9 to 2.5 km³) of technically recoverable oil exists in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1002 area, with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (1.7 km³)"

"The U.S. consumes about 20 million barrels daily. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge oil reserves were used to supply 5% of the U.S. daily consumption -- most is imported from Canada (19%), Mexico (15%), Saudi Arabia (11.5%), Nigeria (10.5%) and Venezuela (10.5%)[11] -- the reserves, using the low figure of 4.3 billion barrels, would last approximately 4300 days, or almost 12 years. Using the high estimate, the reserves would last approximately 11800 days, or 32 years. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was used to meet 100% of U.S. demand, it would last for 215 days under the low estimate, and 525 days or just 1.4 years if it contained 10.4 billion barrels."

20 million barrels, is that right? That seems really high, I thought I read somewhere it was 10-11 million barrels a day maybe it's the gallons in each barrel we are seeing the difference.

I thought we had sources off the coast of Alaska and Florida that could provide more oil than all these mentioned combined, but the gov't does not want to drill for environmental safety reasons and pollution. I know that is not the answer but it's a source that we haven't tapped into.

Yes, the US consumes over 20m barrels per day. In 2006, the estimate was 20.67 million.

Imports are 12.4m barrels per day

http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html

Re: Alaska, the numbers I posted in the previous post are for the unopened Alaska ANWR area. The mean estimated reserves is 7.7 billion barrels. Compare that with the known Saudi Arabia reserves of 266 billon and Iraq's known reserves of 115 billion.

I think i found the answer though....Canada has 178.8 billion barrels of known reserves. I think we need to invade the great white north

Edited March 16, 2008 by Addictedto6

[REW]

until then getting to our own supply of oil might be a good idea as well.

From where? Even if US opens up ANWR to drilling, it's not a long term solution

From wikipedia based on the USGS survey results:

"A 1998 United States Geological Survey (USGS) study indicated at least 4.3 billion (95% probability) and possibly as much as 11.8 billion (5% probability) barrels (0.9 to 2.5 km³) of technically recoverable oil exists in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge 1002 area, with a mean value of 7.7 billion barrels (1.7 km³)"

"The U.S. consumes about 20 million barrels daily. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge oil reserves were used to supply 5% of the U.S. daily consumption -- most is imported from Canada (19%), Mexico (15%), Saudi Arabia (11.5%), Nigeria (10.5%) and Venezuela (10.5%)[11] -- the reserves, using the low figure of 4.3 billion barrels, would last approximately 4300 days, or almost 12 years. Using the high estimate, the reserves would last approximately 11800 days, or 32 years. If the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was used to meet 100% of U.S. demand, it would last for 215 days under the low estimate, and 525 days or just 1.4 years if it contained 10.4 billion barrels."

20 million barrels, is that right? That seems really high, I thought I read somewhere it was 10-11 million barrels a day maybe it's the gallons in each barrel we are seeing the difference.

I thought we had sources off the coast of Alaska and Florida that could provide more oil than all these mentioned combined, but the gov't does not want to drill for environmental safety reasons and pollution. I know that is not the answer but it's a source that we haven't tapped into.

Yes, the US consumes over 20m barrels per day. In 2006, the estimate was 20.67 million.

Imports are 12.4m barrels per day

<a href="http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html" target="_blank">http://www.eia.doe.gov/basics/quickoil.html</a>

Re: Alaska, the numbers I posted in the previous post are for the unopened Alaska ANWR area. The mean estimated reserves is 7.7 billion barrels. Compare that with the known Saudi Arabia reserves of 266 billon and Iraq's known reserves of 115 billion.

I think i found the answer though....Canada has 178.8 billion barrels of known reserves. I think we need to invade the great white north

Yes ANWR and the Gulf of Mexico. This is not a long term solution but may keep the price from esculating at a faster rate while we find a real solution. There are some promising technologies but we need some oil now to get the new stuff to a marketable level.

[sp0tts]

diesel was at $4.34 here today, hope regular gas doesn't get that high.

[Toby]

hold the phone... the biggest single day fall in 15 years and possibly down to 85 a barrel within 6 months. just in time for next summer! time will tell but i aint holding my breath.

[Sixball]

Congressman John D. Dingell from Mi. is suggesting a .50 cent tax on fuel now to help slow the demand of gas and fuel? Where do they find the idiots that are in our government? Who will this kill the poor people who are fitting to get by now. The average working man.

[auto]

Congressman John D. Dingell from Mi. is suggesting a .50 cent tax on fuel now to help slow the demand of gas and fuel? Where do they find the idiots that are in our government? Who will this kill the poor people who are fitting to get by now. The average working man.

If there is a tax increase associated with it, there is usually a (D) behind their name.

[Faceplant409]

I drove past my 76 station that I get Diesel from and it was $4.35 tonight!!!

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