2 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

LOL, that would be true except I like the MXZ bow and 25 is pushing my dock/slip, even the 24 is pushing it. I had it built for a 23.

I feel your pain.  I'm hoist shopping because I'm at the limit of my current hoist with the 25.  

15 minutes ago, Slayer said:

Sounds like you need a 25LSV, @Ronnie!!

LOL, that would be true except I like the MXZ bow and 25 is pushing my dock/slip, even the 24 is pushing it. I had it built for a 23.

It’s starting to hit the pontoon market significantly now as well..

Mercury had a significant layoff of 100 to 150 I believe it was.

Also suppliers have informed that there has been a significant downward revision in their forecast for parts...

 A significant pontoon brand has gone from 26 units per day down to 11. and the forecast keeps getting revised..

It’s not looking pretty out there

19 minutes ago, Ronnie said:

I've had around 10 23LSV's. A couple of 23MXZ's and now a 24MXZ.

1. There are a few differences other than length. IIRC, the 23MXZ moved the helm back 3" to make a larger bow than the 23LSV. The 24 has a few things standard that the LSV has as options. The M6 I believe is the base motor for the 24MXZ. The 24 has a storage compartment on the Starboard side with an aluminum door that the 23 doesn't have. Seems like the 24 has one more cabin speaker on the Port side, this may have chaged on the redesigned 23 BICBW.

2. Not familiar with this other than gel pattern.

3. 24 has a bit more room than the 23 with the extra length. I think the 24 rides and takes wake crossings better. Fit and finish would be the same. Surfing is very similar depending on ballast setup. On my 24, the more people I have in the cabin area, the less rear ballast I carry. I think people tend to over ballast these new boats with the idea that more is better. I constantly see people say there's more spray and bow dipping with the MXZ. I don't see that. You do need to drive a MXZ like a MXZ. The bow nose is wider. You have to make sure not to dip the outside bow points. More spray? I just don't see that.

4. Surfed a SL several years ago, nice wake but I don't see the quality or resale value compared to Malibu. This might of changed in the last few years, I really don't keep up with that.

(Love my 24MXZ, not going back to a 23 LSV or a 23MXZ)

DEMO-DEMO-DEMO

Sounds like you need a 25LSV, @Ronnie!!

I'll say this about the Supra SL.  The new 2024 SL is a well put together boat.  We plan to demo one this season to see what it has to offer.  My biggest single gripe about it is accessibility for service.  It doesn't seem friendly for that and based on what our dealer wants to service the boat, it's not worth the drive, leaving if there, and going back to get it when I can do it in the drive way far less costly with less downtime provided it's routine service.  That felt like a detriment to the SL.  

Back to Malibu, I've surfed a 24MXZ and I liked it.  From a style perspective it's simply not my favorite.  Now that I have a 25 It's hard to suggest I'd go smaller.  Since our kids are getting older and we have one moving to FL this year for school, I mentioned downsizing to the CFO and was immediately shot down.  Something I appreciate more and more about her....

On 4/26/2024 at 8:05 AM, dalt1 said:

Here is what Knoxville sent me on a 2024 LSV23. $183,700 out the door.

That's a 255k MSRP - didn't know the 23LSV got that high....