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vlxjeff

Rough Waters for Boaters

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vlxjeff

I saw this in the paper today. This would not be good.

Sacramento Bee

And the full story......

This story is taken from Sacbee / News.

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How would he feel about forking over more money for a federal environmental permit, maybe $1,500 a year by one estimate?

"Oh, you're kidding? That is insane," Cline said.

Owners of the country's 18 million recreation boats might agree.

A ruling in a federal lawsuit being heard in California could require new permits on all vessels -- possibly everything from canoes and kayaks to oceangoing cargo ships -- according to recreation boating advocates.

"There's a lot of little boats out there," said Bryan Dove, California representative of the Boat Owners Association of the United States.

"They don't have that kind of cash. This is just another financial burden on the boater," said Dove, who lives 15 miles west of Stockton.

Several environmental groups in Oregon and California have sued the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, charging that, by not enforcing the 1972 Clean Water Act properly, it failed to stop the invasion of destructive, foreign marine life, such as zebra mussels in the Great Lakes region and Chinese mitten crabs in the Delta and the Bay Area.

The invasive species hitchhike in the 21 billion gallons of ship ballast taken in at distant ports and dumped annually around U.S. shores, according to environmental groups.

Ballast is water taken on by cargo ships after they unload to balance the vessel for the journey home.

A judge in U.S. District Court for the Northern District of California in September ordered the EPA to create a permit process by September 2008 for vessels that dispense effluent.

The federal agency and the shipping industry tried to confine the permit process to ocean vessels that take on ballast.

The court instead issued a sweeping order that extended to any vessel that discharges any fluid, including the typical 15-foot boat purchased for nothing more than puttering down the Delta on weekends, said Duncan Neasham, a spokesman for the National Marine Manufacturers Association in Washington, D.C.

"Effluent is anything that comes off a boat," he said. "If you spill a Coke or wash your boat down, or carry a bottle of water on your kayak, you might be included."

Permits could be as much as $1,500, he said.

The boat-industry association, which supports controlling ballast on cargo ships, filed papers last week in federal court voicing its concerns.

The industry is hoping that Congress will pass a law before the deadline that would largely exempt recreational boaters, Neasham said.

Environmental groups, including the San Francisco-based Baykeeper, argue in court documents that 10,000 marine species trek the globe via ballast, causing annual economic losses as high as $137 billion, double the yearly damage by natural disasters in the United States.

Without natural predators, uninvited species proliferate in their new homes, causing ecological imbalance and destruction, environmentalists have said.

The zebra mussels, Caspian Sea natives, have spread throughout the Great Lakes region since 1988, according to the Great Lakes Information Network.

The mussels, no larger than a fingernail, clog water pipes in power plants and compete with native species for nutrients.

Recreational boating generates only a small source of pollutants, said Margaret Podlich, vice president of government affairs for the Boat Owners Association of the United States.

Congress has never been moved to create a law that specifically targets domestic-traveling recreational vessels, meaning it should support one that excludes them, Podlich said.

Fears of burdensome fees and cumbersome government permits imposed on recreational vehicles are unfounded, said Deb Self, executive director of Baykeeper, a citizens advocacy group that protects waterways in the Delta and Bay Area.

"We have no way of knowing what the permit process will be," she said.

The initiator of the lawsuit, Northwest Environmental Advocates, believes that the thrust of the regulations will focus on oceangoing vessels, the crux of the problem, said Nina Bell, executive director of the Portland-based group.

"We're concerned, too," she said of the domestic boating industry's concerns.

There are plenty of boats that could be affected, said Dove, the boat owners association representative.

In the Delta, wakeboard boats take in water, bass boats store water onboard for the fish, and larger recreation boats discharge "gray" water and bilge water, which would probably need a permit, he said.

The jokes about boaters owning a bottomless pit are more truth than not, said an owner of two vintage boats.

"This is ridiculous. Everyone thinks boaters are zillionaires," said Larry Hazelett, a Sacramento retired mechanical contractor who restores wooden boats.

Rising fuel prices, fees, insurance and marina rent are already driving people from the sport, he said.

A yacht broker friend, he said, has double the inventory he normally has.

"You're only going to spend so much money doing this or doing that," said Hazelett, 65.

Cline said he considers his boat a family activity, one that is increasingly burdensome.

"It's already a relatively expensive hobby," said Cline, 43.

"You know with housing prices going up, and gas prices, you start adding all these things up and it takes a lot of the joy out of living here."

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Mike00LXI

Fricking tree huggers. Guns.gif

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Sunset_Bob

I'll be out of the boating business by the time that passes. If gas keeps getting higher it might be sooner than later..... :(

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vlxjeff

Yeah, if the government really implements a fee this large, it could kill the recreational boat business.

I'm not sure I'd want to come up with an extra $3000 every year to cover permits for both of my boats.

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RiverRunner

Was does Cali have to ruin everything... Whistling.gif

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vlxjeff
Was does Cali have to ruin everything... Whistling.gif

The group that started this, Northwest Environmental Advocates, is actually out of Portland OR.

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Malibudude

I'm sure the lobbists for the marine industry will fight and win for pleasure craft. It's time for a private lake....

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SacRiverRat

Would suck - but also reads as sensationalism in reporting... people talking about controlling possible transportation of foreign marine life over large distances (port to port) ... and to boost up the story, they say "this may even include kayaks".. :lol:

It would suck if they attempted to impose this on domestic boating, but it seems like a stretch to show how it applies

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vlxjeff
I'm sure the lobbists for the marine industry will fight and win for pleasure craft. It's time for a private lake....

What's a private lake got to do with it?? If something like this were to become a reality, it would still affect you on your private lake.

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vlxjeff
I'm sure the lobbists for the marine industry will fight and win for pleasure craft. It's time for a private lake....

What's a private lake got to do with it?? If something like this were to become a reality, it would still affect you on your private lake.

Unless you're not required to register a boat that's used exclusively on a private lake. If this is the case then disregard the previous remark. Tease.gif

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Mike00LXI
Was does Cali have to ruin everything... Whistling.gif

The group that started this, Northwest Environmental Advocates, is actually out of Portland OR.

Fricking Oregonians ROFL.gif

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RiverRunner
Was does Cali have to ruin everything... Whistling.gif

The group that started this, Northwest Environmental Advocates, is actually out of Portland OR.

Sorry...West Coast Fanatics... Tongue.gif

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Malibudude
Was does Cali have to ruin everything... Whistling.gif

The group that started this, Northwest Environmental Advocates, is actually out of Portland OR.

Fricking Oregonians ROFL.gif

Remember the spotted owl...another brilliant issue from up north...lol Now California will just take it one step further like it always does. Mad.gif

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Pistol Pete

"Uhhh honey,

Pack-up the cat, we're moving to Round Rock TX like I said"

"...........yes dear"

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lxirod

no need to register on a private ski lake. howver if you sell it down the line it could be a problem for the new owner.

the only positivr i see from this is less wally's out on the public lakes.. Thumbup.gif

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Pistol Pete

I just see myself in this situation more

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Edited by Pistol Pete

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jshap
no need to register on a private ski lake. howver if you sell it down the line it could be a problem for the new owner.

the only positivr i see from this is less wally's out on the public lakes.. Thumbup.gif

That's what I was thinking... Drool.gif

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Big Dubya
no need to register on a private ski lake. howver if you sell it down the line it could be a problem for the new owner.

the only positivr i see from this is less wally's out on the public lakes.. Thumbup.gif

That's what I was thinking... Drool.gif

weak

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NvBoarder

Thank god I live in Nevada Tongue.gif

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vlxjeff
Thank god I live in Nevada Tongue.gif

Well, as I read it, this is a Federal thing and would affect all boaters in the country.

Let's just hope recreational boaters are not affected.

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Malibudude
Thank god I live in Nevada Tongue.gif

Don't think that will save you. California supplies your gas and now Nevada is starting to implement the non-smoking...it's coming my friend.... :lol:

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vlxjeff

Well a new story that came out locally in the last couple days...

KCRA Channel 3 Story

I don't think it will be long before this check is commonplace in all California lakes.

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woody
Thank god I live in Nevada Tongue.gif

I guess I'll have to pack up the fam and boat and move south of the border.

Edited by woody

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showtime

How about north of the border, come join us up here in Canada. EH!!

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Sunsetter95

Quick hijack.

A Glendale, AZ man that owns an empty lot near the U of P stadium, where the Super Bowl was held, parked his motor home on it and was tailgating when the police came up and told him it was against a city ordinance to park and tailgate on any empty lot near the stadium. He argued that this is his lot, he owned it, and he can park there if he wanted to. He told them to arrest him and take him to jail so he could sue the city. I guess the city worked it out and they were allowed to move to a church lot to tailgate so the ordinance could be upheld.

Is that stupid, or is it just me?

Good intentions gone bad, just like the proposed fee's on boaters.

Hijack done.

Edited by Sunsetter95

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