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Ordering new what would you go with 2023 A24 or A225


usanaples

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I've gone through all the motions (looked at used higher end boats), and decided to just order a new Axis. The price difference is not that much to get an A24, so it seems like a no brainer to get one...so I assume I am missing something. If you were buying what would you go with and why? Thanks in advance.

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We just went through this and ended up with a new a24. We loved the extra interior space on the bigger boat, the T235 and a22 just seemed small if we had our family and our friends on board. Storage and trailering isn’t an issue for us, so I wasn’t worried about that aspect. 
 

we also haven’t even used the boat yet, so take this for what it’s worth. 

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Towing and storage could be considerations. I also find that it takes more weight in a larger boat to get a similar sized wake. I know some people will fight me on that, but bigger boats are more boyant so in my experience requires more ballast.

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40 minutes ago, boardjnky4 said:

Towing and storage could be considerations. I also find that it takes more weight in a larger boat to get a similar sized wake. I know some people will fight me on that, but bigger boats are more boyant so in my experience requires more ballast.

Going from T22 to A24 this is definitely true.  I'll also say that from the 1st gen T22 to current gen A24, the max wave potential is also higher.  We had our T22 pretty dialed (maxed its capabilities) and it actually didn't take that much weight at all ... far less than the A24.  But the A24 can easily push the weight and with the 2:1 trans and 17" prop it feels like there's plenty of power left for more weight vs the T22 that was tapped early.  So more weight doesn't necessarily mean worse fuel economy or screaming engine... just slightly longer fill and drain times.  

We do run 400lbs of lead in front or midship (same as we ran in the T22) and the A24 could probably use another 200 lbs to max out, to be honest.

(EDIT: for context we typically have 3-5 people in the boat max)

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A24 for sure.  sat in an A225 at boatshow yesterday and it felt significantly smaller compared to my A24.  you'll love the space when you have a big crew or when you feel like being a slob and leaving bags/junk all over.

the extra ballast is just an extra 1-2min of pumps running which is no big deal to me. i also have ~400-500 lbs lead like @shawndoggy mid/front to tune surf wave or even out the wakeboard wake; for foiling it doesn't matter

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I don’t hear anyone mentioning the new hull design on the a225, and the extra space does sound great. My lift will handle it and I can tow either (but really won’t) so it seems like an A24! Still listening though… thank you!

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57 minutes ago, usanaples said:

I don’t hear anyone mentioning the new hull design on the a225, and the extra space does sound great. My lift will handle it and I can tow either (but really won’t) so it seems like an A24! Still listening though… thank you!

The only argument against the A24 would be that it’s the only hull that hasn’t undergone a redesign (but it’s current layout did come out in 2021). So figure an A245 is probably on the horizon for ‘24. That won’t make a 23 work worse, but it would mean that your boat may be the “old model” in 7-8 months. 

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15 minutes ago, shawndoggy said:

The only argument against the A24 would be that it’s the only hull that hasn’t undergone a redesign (but it’s current layout did come out in 2021). So figure an A245 is probably on the horizon for ‘24. That won’t make a 23 work worse, but it would mean that your boat may be the “old model” in 7-8 months. 

@shawndoggy makes a good point if resale is a big deal in the near future.  at least the 2023 will already have the new dash layout which is one big differentiator from older models like mine.

i hypothesize (with good reason) that the redesign will include a transom walk thru and probably a small uptick in ballast (and i'm sure the marketing department will repeatedly highlight "THE ALL NEW HULL" which i'm sure will improve the wave some - though its already fantastic). 

I'm predicting it'll have similar style/vibe as the T250...speaking of which...if you want a big/bad boat and wave, with a walk-thru now, don't hvae a tow/storage issue, and want to avoid being rapidly in an 'old model' maybe consider a T250 (nearly same price i assume and the new T's have a decent sized bow).

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concur.  its a personal preference but if you've got kids, the wide pickle fork bow is fantastic.  my kids always gravitate to the front with their friends; A24 will routinely fit 4-5 elementary school age no problem.  

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14 hours ago, shawndoggy said:

Going from T22 to A24 this is definitely true.  I'll also say that from the 1st gen T22 to current gen A24, the max wave potential is also higher.  We had our T22 pretty dialed (maxed its capabilities) and it actually didn't take that much weight at all ... far less than the A24.  But the A24 can easily push the weight and with the 2:1 trans and 17" prop it feels like there's plenty of power left for more weight vs the T22 that was tapped early.  So more weight doesn't necessarily mean worse fuel economy or screaming engine... just slightly longer fill and drain times.  

We do run 400lbs of lead in front or midship (same as we ran in the T22) and the A24 could probably use another 200 lbs to max out, to be honest.

(EDIT: for context we typically have 3-5 people in the boat max)

Completely agree there.

Also, last I heard the A225 didn’t get the 2:1 vdrive and 17” prop. For me, this will be a dealbreaker going forward.

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17 hours ago, shawndoggy said:

The only argument against the A24 would be that it’s the only hull that hasn’t undergone a redesign (but it’s current layout did come out in 2021). So figure an A245 is probably on the horizon for ‘24. That won’t make a 23 work worse, but it would mean that your boat may be the “old model” in 7-8 months. 

This would be my only hangup with ordering a A24 (or an A20.)  Once the newer tub is out the possibility of buyer's remorse is going to be higher for someone who recently bought the superseded platform.

I personally think the T235 splits the difference and would be my choice if storage and lift capability is there.  We love our T220 and it does the job beautifully while fitting in our garage and is also pretty easy to tow.  A225 would be the same.  But if I could have pulled off a T235, I would have.  

Regarding the bow the T235 is a hybrid bow and is almost as roomy as a full dill boat.  it's a clever design and reduces some of the risks/drawbacks of the pickle. 

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3 hours ago, rennis said:

This would be my only hangup with ordering a A24 (or an A20.)  Once the newer tub is out the possibility of buyer's remorse is going to be higher for someone who recently bought the superseded platform.

I personally think the T235 splits the difference and would be my choice if storage and lift capability is there.  We love our T220 and it does the job beautifully while fitting in our garage and is also pretty easy to tow.  A225 would be the same.  But if I could have pulled off a T235, I would have.  

Regarding the bow the T235 is a hybrid bow and is almost as roomy as a full dill boat.  it's a clever design and reduces some of the risks/drawbacks of the pickle. 

Great point, we looked at a T220 at a Marina, and the bow was definitely roomy (almost as big as the A225). You guys have really turned me around here, I've been designing T250's all day. I'm still listening, but will let ya'll know what I end up ordering.

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1 hour ago, Livinlogs said:

I’ll talk A24 and T250 all day . Had 2 24’s and now a 250 . I’m my mind , way different discussion on these two models than the smaller models you suggested early in the post . Love the 250 

The 235 has the same beam and draft as the A24, and is only 12" shorter.  I'm guessing it will hang right there with one in terms of wake/wave.

But yes, if budget allows it get the 250, and if possible get the LT4.  Sooooo beefcake!  So wish I could pull one of those off!!!  They are just monster. 

NWInboards has a couple of very clean used ones on the lot right now. 

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