TRX

[oldjeep]

23 minutes ago, Hemmy said:

My first 89 Mustang GT had 225 HP and I thought that was fast back then.  Four bangers get that now a days.

Motorcycles get that these days

 

[gregtay]

3 hours ago, Nitrousbird said:

The real question is whether the TRX will have the rapid depreciation that its other 1500 models share?  The Raptor depreciates like a diesel, which makes it an easier 70k+ price for some buyers to swallow knowing they won't take a bath on resale (and it will be resale, as Raptor leases are garbage).  

 

 

I am sure the depreciation will be in line with other SRT or Hellcat models.. which is a pretty steep curve.  I think there is always going to be more hesitation in picking up a 2nd hand 700+ blown petrol V8 vs a big oil burner.  Longevity plays in here a bit and the diesel is going to take abuse a bit better than the Hellcat motor.   You can view the steep deprecation two ways... one is that a 2 yr old TRX can be picked up for not that much coin

[Nitrousbird]

53 minutes ago, gregtay said:

I am sure the depreciation will be in line with other SRT or Hellcat models.. which is a pretty steep curve.  I think there is always going to be more hesitation in picking up a 2nd hand 700+ blown petrol V8 vs a big oil burner.  Longevity plays in here a bit and the diesel is going to take abuse a bit better than the Hellcat motor.   You can view the steep deprecation two ways... one is that a 2 yr old TRX can be picked up for not that much coin

The point was more that it competes directly with the Raptor, which has diesel-like depreciation.  That's a big difference for a lot of buyers.

I'm sure it will sell some.  It could be better in nearly every way than the current Raptor but I will bet it still won't sell as well; the Ford truck name + resale being the two key factors.

[RyanB]

5 hours ago, Nitrousbird said:

The real question is whether the TRX will have the rapid depreciation that its other 1500 models share?  The Raptor depreciates like a diesel, which makes it an easier 70k+ price for some buyers to swallow knowing they won't take a bath on resale (and it will be resale, as Raptor leases are garbage).  

 

 

Knowing your history of........dislike........ for Chrysler vehicles, I am assuming that you are alleging that the RAM 1500 has a higher deprecation rate, and that Ford is better here.  You're wrong on that.  

Here are the four highest-depreciating pickup trucks: a buyer’s advantage.

#4 - GMC Sierra 1500 - 5-year depreciation average, 43.0%

#3 - Ram Pickup 1500 - 5-year depreciation average, 45.2%

#2 - Nissan Titan - 5-year depreciation average, 45.9%

#1 - Ford F-150 - 5-year depreciation average, 46.5%

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/01/car-depreciation-it-pays-to-consider-if-you-sell-or-trade-near-the-5-year-mark.html

There really isn't much difference in the full size market.

You are right that the Raptor depreciates less (looks like about half as much).  It's much harder to find depreciation rates on Hellcats because there are now a number of models.  Will be interesting to see how that unfolds.  I do know that anecdotally, they have held their value well enough to keep me from getting into a Trackhawk.

[Nitrousbird]

1 hour ago, RyanB said:

Knowing your history of........dislike........ for Chrysler vehicles, I am assuming that you are alleging that the RAM 1500 has a higher deprecation rate, and that Ford is better here.  You're wrong on that. 

You know what happens when you assume.  My statement has nothing to do with the resale of any other make being better/worse, other than diesels hold a better resale and Raptors seems to follow that trend.  I'm certainly not a Ford fanboy and don't even own one.  My dislike for other US FCA (well, soon to be Stellantis) vehicles isn't across the board.  I like specific models, but generally don't like their lineup as a whole.  Ram in particular, the interiors are utter garbage up until the current model, and they have some hard to look past issues in previous generations as well...which is a good reason why they tend to be the cheapest of the bunch to buy.

[hunter77ah]

https://www.thedrive.com/news/35890/2021-ford-f-150-raptor-will-have-700-hp-supercharged-v8-from-mustang-gt500-report

Here you go... 

[oldjeep]

1 hour ago, hunter77ah said:

https://www.thedrive.com/news/35890/2021-ford-f-150-raptor-will-have-700-hp-supercharged-v8-from-mustang-gt500-report

Here you go... 

The more interesting thing that I have seen is them ditching the leaf springs.  

[Nitrousbird]

8 hours ago, oldjeep said:

The more interesting thing that I have seen is them ditching the leaf springs.  

My Avalanche and  Escalade EXT both towed well on coils...I am totally good with that on a 1/2 ton.

[oldjeep]

1 hour ago, Nitrousbird said:

My Avalanche and  Escalade EXT both towed well on coils...I am totally good with that on a 1/2 ton.

Ram figured that out in 2009.

My comment was a positive one, the new suspension should get rid of the axle wrap and hop that the raptor already had with substantially less hp than they are talking about for 2021

[surfdude]

Axel hop??

[oldjeep]

43 minutes ago, surfdude said:

Axel hop??

Google it, there are a bunch of good solution s out there specifically for the raptor.  Common issue when you put a ton of power into flexy leaf springs.  Happened in leaf spring lifted jeeps a lot, especially those with offset pins.

[surfdude]

Boy, I guess I would have to google it, cause I’ve had 4 of them now.. I’ve had them in deep snow, mud hills ect, and have not experienced this. Mine goes off-road weekly at our farm and ranch. Don’t do much rock crawling though. Have not owned a better truck than these, and I was a Chevy guy for years. The rear end will walk out a little on shallow washboard gravel roads, but I haven’t owned a vehicle that doesn’t. I’m sure a set of deaver springs in the rear would cure that, but honestly it’s minor. Speed the truck up, and it goes away 😆

[UWSkier]

Those Dodges are powerful!  Outrunning the cops on the ground, the helicopters in the sky, and the super duper mega telephoto lens!

 

[gregtay]

Little but disapointed they TRX is only rated for 8100:-/.  My Durango is rated at 8700... so silly that they didn't do a bit more on the TRX to retain a higher tow rating (which I am guess would just be a mode in the adjustable suspension to firm it up and lock out some of the sag.   The motor, tranny and chassis is certainly capable of more than 8100.

[surfdude]

22 hours ago, gregtay said:

Little but disapointed they TRX is only rated for 8100:-/.  My Durango is rated at 8700... so silly that they didn't do a bit more on the TRX to retain a higher tow rating (which I am guess would just be a mode in the adjustable suspension to firm it up and lock out some of the sag.   The motor, tranny and chassis is certainly capable of more than 8100.

I bet that tow rating is with a weight distributing hitch, just like the Raptor. Sucks with a boat trailer with a folding tongue, and surge breaks.

[Nitrousbird]

15 hours ago, surfdude said:

I bet that tow rating is with a weight distributing hitch, just like the Raptor. Sucks with a boat trailer with a folding tongue, and surge breaks.

According to this, it is a limitation of the receiver across all F150's, not Raptor specific.

https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content/dam/brand_ford/en_us/brand/resources/general/pdf/guides/20Towing_Ford_F150_Oct15.pdf

[MLBurns]

On 8/30/2020 at 9:51 PM, gregtay said:

Little but disapointed they TRX is only rated for 8100:-/.  My Durango is rated at 8700... so silly that they didn't do a bit more on the TRX to retain a higher tow rating (which I am guess would just be a mode in the adjustable suspension to firm it up and lock out some of the sag.   The motor, tranny and chassis is certainly capable of more than 8100.

At that horsepower level that engine would make insane amounts of cylinder heat with heavy loads. Also with pump gas the more load/heat it has put on it, the more timing the computer has to retard the timing to prevent detonation. Supercharged engines do make less power than turbo charged engines, but they also make less heat. Probably why Raptor will get a V8 to compete with TRX.

[85 Barefoot]

On 8/22/2020 at 11:20 PM, surfdude said:

Boy, I guess I would have to google it, cause I’ve had 4 of them now.. I’ve had them in deep snow, mud hills ect, and have not experienced this. Mine goes off-road weekly at our farm and ranch. Don’t do much rock crawling though. Have not owned a better truck than these, and I was a Chevy guy for years. The rear end will walk out a little on shallow washboard gravel roads, but I haven’t owned a vehicle that doesn’t. I’m sure a set of deaver springs in the rear would cure that, but honestly it’s minor. Speed the truck up, and it goes away 😆

That's what he was referring to.  Unless you've had a dodge in the last 10 years, then you're right, you wouldn't have had a vehicle that didn't do that.  

[surfdude]

Gosh, I guess I should have had a dodges, the last 10 years, didn’t realize they were so much better than the Raptor 

[85 Barefoot]

17 hours ago, surfdude said:

Gosh, I guess I should have had a dodges, the last 10 years, didn’t realize they were so much better than the Raptor 

Not saying they were, just that that design element ford is now going to after decades of leafs.