25 LSV Wake Setup Trouble

[timmypop]

I've done my research on setup for this boat, but I am still having issues. My kids ride at 20 mph, but I can't seem to get them a clean wake. I have 350# lead on the port side to help even things out, but when I toy with the ballast and wedge I still get mush. I can clean up one side by moving people. I also have two 50# that I can freely move around on the floor. 

Any suggestions or advice on your setup? 

[Capdoogie]

Wake board or wakesurf?

Edited July 15, 2020 by Capdoogie

[Five Cent Worth]

1 minute ago, Capdoogie said:

Wake board or wakesurf?

you surely aren't surfing at 20 mph......

[Capdoogie]

Well you never know.  I’ve seen it all!

[Slurpee]

Run lift mode. Gives me a decent wake for my boy from 18-20. Starboard is crisp. Port has some small wash but it’s solid well shaped and he’s jumping fine halfway to the next wake as he learns.  I’ve got a couple hundred in lead on the port observers compartment for balance. No tanks full. I assume they’re learning if they’re only running 20?

It’s a big boat and it’s going to do better on bigger waves than smaller ones. Especially with wedge. Get up to 21-21.5 and stay off the wedge completely or just use lift and see what you get.  It should be better that way from what We’ve seen. 

[Slurpee]

And just because everyone sees things different here’s a quick over the shoulder snap shot yesterday just before calling it quits. 19mph in lift with 200lbs of lead scattered around (mostly port side forward). 

We’ve been working on his confidence charging toe side and getting distance and this works well. When he wants to launch heel side I don’t use wedge in any mode and run 20-21 or so. Maybe fill the rear tanks 25%. Or just have people sit back there. It’s usually just he and I though. Sorry no pics of that setup on my phone. 

[timmypop]

Thanks. I was using lift. I guess I was used to my older LSV that would set up perfect on both sides. This is about the best I can do for them. 

[asnowman]

@timmypop What i learned last year out in the m240 with my dealer was to slightly turn the wheel to clean the lip up for the rider as they com toward the wake. Have not tried it yet in our 25 though.

Edited July 16, 2020 by asnowman

[G Spot]

A friend gave me some advice to fill the center to 50% and that has really helped my wave for my 9 year old at 17.5 mph/wedge at 1 and then my 7 year olds that ride between 13.5 and 15 mph/wedge in lift. I also shorten the rope to 55' ish.

[bbattiste247]

On my 2019 25 lsv, we get an awesome wake...we were just out yesterday with a wakeboarder and I am always amazed at how nice the wake is. I don't use lift, because it holds the bow down and that will definetely make the wake smaller. I have 500lbs of of lead in the boat, with 400lbs towards the rear of the boat. I fill the middle ballast tank full and the rear pnps about 1/3rd full and just shift people around a bit to even out the wake. With this set up, it is awesome. 

[gorilla]

16 hours ago, timmypop said:

Thanks. I was using lift. I guess I was used to my older LSV that would set up perfect on both sides. This is about the best I can do for them. 

You only need a clean wake on the side the rider is on. That wake looks just fine. 

[Murphy8166]

My son rides at 20mph, wedge on 2 and about 400lbs of lead midship and rope/handle at 55ft.  I used to run in lift and around 16.5 mph,  the change to 20mph and wedge 2 was accepted quickly by my rider.  Try it out

This is on a 23 LSV.

 

 

[Slurpee]

We went out this morning on our 25 LSV and I remembered to take video. Here’s a screen grab. 20mph. Wedge 1 tick from lift. About 250lbs of lead in the port observers storage. 55’ line. I think I’ll add 5’ more.

It’s clean for him in both directions. 

Edited July 24, 2020 by Slurpee

[Murphy8166]

That looks good!  Until he starts to clear that wake, leave it at 55'!  That's my plan.

[eubanks]

9 hours ago, Murphy8166 said:

That looks good!  Until he starts to clear that wake, leave it at 55'!  That's my plan.

Son is looking good!  I would honestly let his rope out to 65-70ish. This will keep him from casing the second wake while continuing to progress with his wake jumps.  Also make sure he lands and then continues edging over the second wake. This will help him land on his edge and make the transition to W2W much easier. 
 
So once he starts going bigger on a 65-70 foot rope then you can bring him in to 55 and he will go w2w first try. This has worked best for the people I’ve taught. 

[Murphy8166]

@eubanks  Different school of thought but it sounds like it has worked for you in the past. 

We are at the point where we can case the toe side wake when we W2W jump.  He works on his progressive edge and riding away from the landing jumping from middle of the wake out to flats.  I am a big fan of the progressive edge taught early and using less of the flats to clear the wake.  Really makes him understand progressive edge and the pop from the wake top.  Make sense?

Hope that you are well!

[eubanks]

17 hours ago, Murphy8166 said:

@eubanks  Different school of thought but it sounds like it has worked for you in the past. 

We are at the point where we can case the toe side wake when we W2W jump.  He works on his progressive edge and riding away from the landing jumping from middle of the wake out to flats.  I am a big fan of the progressive edge taught early and using less of the flats to clear the wake.  Really makes him understand progressive edge and the pop from the wake top.  Make sense?

Hope that you are well!

Gotcha.  Yeah, do what works for him. I’ve just seen the longer lines taught a lot and have had good luck with that method teaching newer riders. It brings wake cases out of the equation. But I’ve been riding since 1993 so there is some old school mentality to me that says just send it. 😉 Yes, learning progressive edge and good body position are the most important things at this stage.  Also riding switch sets will help tremendously with his progression down the road. I’m just glad to see somebody on a wakeboard these days!