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New video... 25 LSV vs. G23


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How many votes for a 27lsv?? Get enough and maybe it will come true?? 10ft beam though, heck even pontoons are going 10ftt wide now.. 

Half u diesel folk probably have your cdl anyhow or your dealership does and can drop and pull once a year if you don't ..and if you live in the lake.. 

MC now a 26ft and centurion ri257 are big, Malibu should build the 27lsv beast with deeper V and 10ft beam, SC engine and all is good.. add $25-30k over 25lsv and your about near M pricing and open up larger lake market for "day boats". 

Nothing around the lakes is getting smaller... Follow the trend.. 

A 25lsv is still small compared to a LOT of pontoons, depending on brand a 23-24 toon can be longer, go to a 25-27 toon and they would be longer and bigger than a 27lsv and these toons are common on lakes throughout IN which are not all that large so a 27lsv isn't a large stretch like many may think..

MC300 ahead of it's time.. like the x80 twin prop.. Im actually currious at what point smaller twins might actually become economical? 

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33 minutes ago, The Hulk said:

How many votes for a 27lsv?? Get enough and maybe it will come true?? 10ft beam though, heck even pontoons are going 10ftt wide now.. 

Half u diesel folk probably have your cdl anyhow or your dealership does and can drop and pull once a year if you don't ..and if you live in the lake.. 

They already make a 27’ surf boat. 

https://cobaltboats.com/surf-class/surf-series/r7-surf/

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Yeah I know but that thing has a lot of wasted space inside.. the wave doesn't look bad.. given the fact that it's basically the same weight as a 25lsv and two and a half feet longer.. probably needs a lot more ballast.. but I'll bet that's one smooth ride in chop!

For the price however it lacks is sex appeal as the wakesetter series

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48 minutes ago, The Hulk said:

How many votes for a 27lsv?? Get enough and maybe it will come true?? 10ft beam though, heck even pontoons are going 10ftt wide now.. 

Half u diesel folk probably have your cdl anyhow or your dealership does and can drop and pull once a year if you don't ..and if you live in the lake.. 

MC now a 26ft and centurion ri257 are big, Malibu should build the 27lsv beast with deeper V and 10ft beam, SC engine and all is good.. add $25-30k over 25lsv and your about near M pricing and open up larger lake market for "day boats". 

Nothing around the lakes is getting smaller... Follow the trend.. 

A 25lsv is still small compared to a LOT of pontoons, depending on brand a 23-24 toon can be longer, go to a 25-27 toon and they would be longer and bigger than a 27lsv and these toons are common on lakes throughout IN which are not all that large so a 27lsv isn't a large stretch like many may think..

MC300 ahead of it's time.. like the x80 twin prop.. Im actually currious at what point smaller twins might actually become economical? 

Don't need a CDL tow a trailer wider than a 102". It is the permits that you need and from my understanding a pain to get... 

Correct me if I am wrong , SC engine is a $20,000 up charge already. 

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7 minutes ago, kerpluxal said:

Don't need a CDL tow a trailer wider than a 102". It is the permits that you need and from my understanding a pain to get... 

Correct me if I am wrong , SC engine is a $20,000 up charge already. 

However, we are already running VERY close to trailers being over 10,000 GVWR. A 27 footer that is 10’ wide is going to be on a trailer that is over 10k pounds. Also, you will need a heavy duty pickup to pull it, which is going to put your gross combination rating over 26k. It doesn’t matter that you aren’t weighing that much. It only matters that your rig is rated for it, and the trailer is over 10k. Those two things together trigger the need for a CDL.

And overwidth permits are really annoying to deal with. If you aren’t hiring an escort service, you can only tow on weekdays, the weather has to be perfect, and you aren’t able to call in for the permit ahead of time. You call it in on the day you intend to use it, and if the planets are aligned perfectly, they will grant the permit for that day. I deal with this crap constantly. It’s a pain.

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33 minutes ago, TenTwentyOne said:

However, we are already running VERY close to trailers being over 10,000 GVWR. A 27 footer that is 10’ wide is going to be on a trailer that is over 10k pounds. Also, you will need a heavy duty pickup to pull it, which is going to put your gross combination rating over 26k. It doesn’t matter that you aren’t weighing that much. It only matters that your rig is rated for it, and the trailer is over 10k. Those two things together trigger the need for a CDL.

And overwidth permits are really annoying to deal with. If you aren’t hiring an escort service, you can only tow on weekdays, the weather has to be perfect, and you aren’t able to call in for the permit ahead of time. You call it in on the day you intend to use it, and if the planets are aligned perfectly, they will grant the permit for that day. I deal with this crap constantly. It’s a pain.

The G23 is heavier than the 25lsv . The g25 a bit more so a 27lsv would be comparable to a g25 one might assume. , What is a 25lsv like 6500 with gas so maybe 8-8.5k with trailer? Can't imagine hitting 10k with a 27lsv even with 10ft with beam what are we talking maybe 1k heavier at most than a current 25lsv. Maybe 7k range and9.5k-10k worse case with trailer?  We're still in short haul f150 territory under 13k towing.. yeah I know I know.. which is driving truck or boat?  the  breaking is a whole nother story but hey if you're only going short distance all ok..

I mean half of the 25lsv are still on dual axle trailers.. 27 lsv comes on a triple Axel easy peasy and it's probably the same weight as a centurion or a g25 since Malibu tend to be a little bit lighter

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1 hour ago, kerpluxal said:

Don't need a CDL tow a trailer wider than a 102". It is the permits that you need and from my understanding a pain to get... 

Correct me if I am wrong , SC engine is a $20,000 up charge already. 

Maybe twin 350s x80 style, cheap and easy and those 350s come with those nifty engine block 200 deg sensors!! Way less prop /tranny, and shaft stress if you split it up.. although SC sounds more fun

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1 hour ago, The Hulk said:

Yeah I know but that thing has a lot of wasted space inside.. the wave doesn't look bad.. given the fact that it's basically the same weight as a 25lsv and two and a half feet longer.. probably needs a lot more ballast.. but I'll bet that's one smooth ride in chop!

For the price however it lacks is sex appeal as the wakesetter series

Cobalt measures LOA at 27' 6" and that includes the swim platform.  I can't find a measurement on the platform but I am guessing 24" or less.  The 25lsv is a true 25' and does not include the platform. Just one of the discrepensies between stern drive and Vdrive tow boats.   

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12 hours ago, Suggy said:

And the market does just that.  Malibu/Axis at 37%, Nautique at 17% and MC at 16%, the next highest around 7% (I believe Tige..?). More than 1/3 of the boats sold in the US are a Malibu/Axis.  Malibu/Axis outsells their next highest competitor by more double. Let that sink in. "The truth is on the water."

If you include Malibu and Axis together, would you not also include Supreme and Centurion with Nautique?  I have no doubt that Bu/Ax is the leader but maybe that changes the numbers some. 

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13 minutes ago, ID AX said:

Cobalt measures LOA at 27' 6" and that includes the swim platform.  I can't find a measurement on the platform but I am guessing 24" or less.  The 25lsv is a true 25' and does not include the platform. Just one of the discrepensies between stern drive and Vdrive tow boats.   

Yes that's why colbat is like 23lsv or 22mxz size cabin, tiny .. seating for only 14 and that's crammed in. But yacht capacity

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57 minutes ago, The Hulk said:

The G23 is heavier than the 25lsv . The g25 a bit more so a 27lsv would be comparable to a g25 one might assume. , What is a 25lsv like 6500 with gas so maybe 8-8.5k with trailer? Can't imagine hitting 10k with a 27lsv even with 10ft with beam what are we talking maybe 1k heavier at most than a current 25lsv. Maybe 7k range and9.5k-10k worse case with trailer?  We're still in short haul f150 territory under 13k towing.. yeah I know I know.. which is driving truck or boat?  the  breaking is a whole nother story but hey if you're only going short distance all ok..

I mean half of the 25lsv are still on dual axle trailers.. 27 lsv comes on a triple Axel easy peasy and it's probably the same weight as a centurion or a g25 since Malibu tend to be a little bit lighter

I think you’d be surprised how quick it would add up, and I’m pretty sure a 25LSV is riding on a 9k GVW trailer already. IXFE probably knows..... but the one I looked at had 6 lug wheels, which would suggest 4500lb axles.

Either way, if a 27LSV weighs in at just 7k dry, they will figure it at 7500-8000 wet, and they will put 5k axles under it, not 4.5k, because it would be 9500lbs on the trailer with a full fuel tank.

you could tow with an F150, but I wouldn’t!!

Doesnt matter though. Your trailer is 10k GVW and overwidth. You’d need a CDL anyway. You can tow overwidth under 10k with a permit and no CDL, but you can’t be towing over 10k, and be overwidth, without a CDL...... 

 

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17 minutes ago, TenTwentyOne said:

And overwidth permits are really annoying to deal with. If you aren’t hiring an escort service, you can only tow on weekdays, the weather has to be perfect, and you aren’t able to call in for the permit ahead of time. You call it in on the day you intend to use it, and if the planets are aligned perfectly, they will grant the permit for that day. I deal with this crap constantly. It’s a pain.

Yup, but How many of the weekend warriors are really going to go through that every time they tow? Granted, around here anything getting close to 30’ lives in a slip or on a dock. 

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Bennington has no problem selling 10ft wide toons I don't think it's a big deal, pay local dealer to drop in and pull out each year, heck half the people that buy local have that done for them anyhow..

Anyone buying this would care less, and I think it would sell.. if 102" wide the 10k trailer is non issue, 10ft wide might be close.. but I think 1k-1.5k lbs is plenty enough to be at limit or just under. Just a little more fiberglass! Also Rate weight without accessories like they all do now anyhow and all is good. 

Think of the ballast in that 27lsv! 

Plus I don't think people are going to be trailering these around for weekend trips they will sit in slips all season like other bigger boats. Most HIGH dollar boats are not being trailered around they are at slips/docks/cottages. 

I know some areas are a bit different but on a national scale hardly anyone% wise is trailerng a 100k boat around on the weekends.. like 1% or less I'm guessing? It's rare to see a 100k boat at any ramp on most lakes..but they sure line the docks on the lakes..  regardless I agree with ya and if somehow they could get that baby at 9999lbs all is good! Ha

also how does that work with gas weight anyhow? Who's to say gas/gear etc?

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2 hours ago, The Hulk said:

The G23 is heavier than the 25lsv . The g25 a bit more so a 27lsv would be comparable to a g25 one might assume. , What is a 25lsv like 6500 with gas so maybe 8-8.5k with trailer? Can't imagine hitting 10k with a 27lsv even with 10ft with beam what are we talking maybe 1k heavier at most than a current 25lsv. Maybe 7k range and9.5k-10k worse case with trailer?  We're still in short haul f150 territory under 13k towing.. yeah I know I know.. which is driving truck or boat?  the  breaking is a whole nother story but hey if you're only going short distance all ok..

I mean half of the 25lsv are still on dual axle trailers.. 27 lsv comes on a triple Axel easy peasy and it's probably the same weight as a centurion or a g25 since Malibu tend to be a little bit lighter

So I just pulled my 25lSV home from the dealer last weekend. 250 miles. I drive a Ram 3500 Crew SRW. There ain’t no way you are going to get me to Go any further than around the block with a 1/2 ton truck. When a person pulls daily. We realize how dangerous it really is to pull something like that with a 1/2 ton truck. Heck my wife’s Jeep GC. Is rated for 7500 ponds. There is was no way I would pull the 07 21LSV with it. You guys are crazy. Not to mention getting dragged down the ramp. 

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1 hour ago, The Hulk said:

Plus I don't think people are going to be trailering these around for weekend trips they will sit in slips all season like other bigger boats. Most HIGH dollar boats are not being trailered around they are at slips/docks/cottages. 

You need to come out to Cali. I don’t know anyone who slips their $100k boats. Their old runabouts and TRASHED ski boats. Yes But not boats like ours. They get trailered. 

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1 minute ago, Sparky450 said:

You need to come out to Cali. I don’t know anyone who slips their $100k boats. Their old runabouts and TRASHED ski boats. Yes But not boats like ours. They get trailered. 

In Texas every lake has a marine (or three) that rents covered slips with lifts. It ain’t cheap, but you’ll see a lot of high-end wake boats in these slips. And they stay on the lift all year (most marinas require an annual lease). 

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I take it back. I do know a few people who slip there boat at the lake. From Memorial Day to Labor Day. Everywhere else you have to worry about keeping it clean. And slot are not real secure. 

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Weight really won’t be a concern with a 27lsv. We already have boats that are pushing 10k fully loaded up. Ri257 with full gear and fuel is at least that, my Rzx with lead is gonna be over 9000. 

I really think the success on a bigger Malibu would depend on the area. Some places very few surf boats are trailered and others not so much.  I think we should see a 26mxz but that’s just me. 

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7 hours ago, skurfer said:

Like the G's last year, the X22's and X24's are oversold for 2019. That means some people and dealers won't be getting all of their orders..

They are allegedly in the process of building additional molds for those, and staffing an additional production day for a couple months...... but they can’t commit yet. As of now, the available production slots on those 2 are in to August/sept.

 

@The Hulk Your wheels are really turning on this MegaLSV idea!! You are right though.... it would not be a boat that was trailered very often. And most marinas have a CDL driver for moving the 30’+ boats around.

It would be an absolutely awesome boat. The only problem I see, is that if we all start getting in to 26-30’ surf boats with 8-10k of ballast, surfing will definitely get banned everywhere. 

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