OMG!! New 22MXZ more problems

[bamaboy]

12 hours ago, ConnollyCrew said:

Hate to say but all new boats have issues. Normally between 40-50 hours you have them all ironed out. It is the opposite  of fun when you daydream about your new boat then it lets you down, not one But multiple times. Keep calm, be nice and stay in your dealers grill about taking care of you and you will be happy when all these little things pass. Congrats on a great boat, follow up with us after you work through your new boat "bugs". 

Eh....I guess it depends on what you mean by "issues".  

I expect cosmetic issues.  No doubt.  They are hand made beasts and will have some cosmetic flaws.

But I don't expect electrical or mechanical issues nor would I accept them as new boat "bugs".   So we're all at a point now where we spent 100K on a boat and expect mechanical and electrical flaws?  Really?  Seriously?  Nope.  HELL NO. I'm not there and never will be. 

[67King]

3 hours ago, 23LSVOwner said:

 

If manufacturers find a way to build them with robots the price of them would skyrocket.

That's quite a bit non-sequitur to the whole point being that hand made products are inherently less reliable than those built with high degrees of automation.  But, the prices of consumer goods has been driven down drastically due to the incorporation of automation.  Everything from fidget spinners to automobiles.  Now obviously volume plays a role in that, too, but I would expect that automation in conjunction with higher volumes would drive down teh costs, which would put them within reach of a broader market base, which would drive up volume, wash, rinse, repeat.

[Agman]

I agree with Bamboy. I am lucky enough-through work- that I get a new truck every 2 years. I get in it, put the pedal down and never look back. No issues....ever... I drive roughly 45,000 miles a year, towing, 4-wheel drive often in mud. We pay $80-$100k for boats that have "bugs" . I expect "bugs" in lesser of quality boats, not a Malibu. That's why we pay up.... Do we expect to have "bugs" with a $100k Mercedes?? 

[IXFE]

Another boat vs. car analogy...

Awesome

[23LSVOwner]

48 minutes ago, 67King said:

That's quite a bit non-sequitur to the whole point being that hand made products are inherently less reliable than those built with high degrees of automation.  But, the prices of consumer goods has been driven down drastically due to the incorporation of automation.  Everything from fidget spinners to automobiles.  Now obviously volume plays a role in that, too, but I would expect that automation in conjunction with higher volumes would drive down teh costs, which would put them within reach of a broader market base, which would drive up volume, wash, rinse, repeat.

Development, implementation and purchase costs.

 

They end up being passed along in all industries.

[90oldskool]

33 minutes ago, Agman said:

I agree with Bamboy. I am lucky enough-through work- that I get a new truck every 2 years. I get in it, put the pedal down and never look back. No issues....ever... I drive roughly 45,000 miles a year, towing, 4-wheel drive often in mud. We pay $80-$100k for boats that have "bugs" . I expect "bugs" in lesser of quality boats, not a Malibu. That's why we pay up.... Do we expect to have "bugs" with a $100k Mercedes?? 

actually yes. Every time there is a new model put out with new technology people have problems within the first few oil changes. 

The demand of the newest technology year after year  is causing huge issues. Go back to the 80's 90's when there was no computers in a wet environment and a lot of the problems will be gone.  

 

The growing demand for " push a button and the boat does it for you " is out of control.

Edited June 7, 2017 by 90oldskool

[tjklein]

6 hours ago, 67King said:

Was talking about the whole thing about boats being essentially hand made with a friend yesterday.  They promote it like it is a good thing, when in reality, it is a very bad thing.

No truer words have been said!  Handmade is awesome in a way, but if you're expecting perfection think again.  Boats aren't perfect...just like people.  :-)  

I've had nothing but great experiences with my 22mxz so far.  It porpoises a little, but I've mostly ironed that out with some front end weight.  The boat is MUCH better than my '14 LSV overall.  That boat was also pretty much flawless for issues outside of a little bit of fit and finish concerns.

[spikew919]

20 minutes ago, 90oldskool said:

actually yes. Every time there is a new model put out with new technology people have problems within the first few oil changes. 

The demand of the newest technology year after year  is causing huge issues. Go back to the 80's 90's when there was no computers in a wet environment and a lot of the problems will be gone.  

 

The growing demand for " push a button and the boat does it for you " is out of control.

You're on to something here, they are rushing these boats out with un tested technology that should not be released until its spot on. Their R&D department that is definitely making prices go up is not up to par. 

Simce some people don't like the automobile comparison, let's compare it to a Lear 45 jet. Friend of mine bought one new 5 years back for his company, Way more CPU's and latest and greatest tech then. Not one issue, never, Straight out the gate, and they fly all over and some commercials for other businesses. Just glad these glitchy cpu's in our boats aren't a mile in the air. 

[NAW]

I'm not sure that an aviation comparison is fair either....FAA and other QC requirements certainly are much more stringent (life or death situations) than a ski boat manufacturer's internal QC program or NMMA and CG guidelines.  Not to mention the cost difference in the product.

Really, the only comparison can be made for QC is how it compares to the competitors in the market place.  

I've talked to many owners of other brands who are very unhappy with their new boats....but, I think they must know better than to blast it all over the internet and would rather work with the dealer to resolve issues, as opposed to shoot their own resale in the foot, or make their dealers jobs much harder by requiring them to address concerns that a prospective buyer 'read on the internet.'

 

70+ plus hours on one of the first 2017 22MXZ's to hit the market and not one issue with boat, motor or trailer.

 

[IXFE]

Ah yes.... a $15M Learjet

Much better analogy!  TMC is sure on point today!

[85 Barefoot]

19 minutes ago, spikew919 said:

You're on to something here, they are rushing these boats out with un tested technology that should not be released until its spot on. Their R&D department that is definitely making prices go up is not up to par. 

Simce some people don't like the automobile comparison, let's compare it to a Lear 45 jet. Friend of mine bought one new 5 years back for his company, Way more CPU's and latest and greatest tech then. Not one issue, never, Straight out the gate, and they fly all over and some commercials for other businesses. Just glad these glitchy cpu's in our boats aren't a mile in the air. 

So now we're comparing $10 M planes with a host of FAA compliance requirements, that took 8 years in development before FAA certification?  

The biggest complaint on here is $1600 touchscreens that fail, that have improved dramatically.  Somebody has a bad connection somewhere, that the dealer hasn't even gotten to look at yet, and folks here are already concluding R&D is not up to par.  I remember the good old days with no computers, but what we lacked in computer issues we made up for in engine issues.  I've scraped points on a distributor cap in order to limp home more times than I care to remember.  

Nope, new boats are often times not perfect.  If that really bothers folks, boating seems a very odd choice for a hobby.

[teamerickson]

Just now, IXFE said:

Ah yes.... a $15M Learjet

Much better analogy!  TMC is sure on point today!

I'm sure the FAA (Or whoever overseas plane inspections) and Malibu have the same standards.

[IXFE]

4 hours ago, robbennett said:

Is your whole crew sitting in the very back of the boat when it starts to porpoise? Just because you have a top of the line wakeboat doesn't mean everyone can just sit wherever they want. If they do you will need to put some weight up front. 

Weight distribution is very important in a wake boat. 

So let me get this straight... If I spend > $100k, are you saying that I DON'T get to defy the laws of physics?  

What if I spend $150K...?  Then can I be immortal??  $200K..???

[IXFE]

Anybody else here curious why the tendency to porpoise wasn't discovered during the OP's demo???

Edited June 7, 2017 by IXFE

[Sailvi767]

As someone who flies for a living I can tell you that new planes are loaded with glitches and there are often 5 or 6 test flights to work them out before a airline accepts them. It's normal after that to have issues the first few months. The Lear 45 has numerous AD's addressing issues so I think your friend is pulling your leg.

[spikew919]

4 minutes ago, Sailvi767 said:

As someone who flies for a living I can tell you that new planes are loaded with glitches and there are often 5 or 6 test flights to work them out before a airline accepts them. It's normal after that to have issues the first few months. The Lear 45 has numerous AD's addressing issues so I think your friend is pulling your leg.

Maybe his pilot doesn't pass the issues along to him ??‍♂️ 

 

Sure got this thread rolling tho. ????

[05hammerhead]

If Im reading MBUUs financials correctly they are currently making 15%OI.  Seems like theyve got a few dollars laying around that they could invest in QA.  Not saying thats the case here cause OP seems over the top, but also not the first issue Ive seen on here. 

[billjames]

34 minutes ago, IXFE said:

So let me get this straight... If I spend > $100k, are you saying that I DON'T get to defy the laws of physics?  

What if I spend $150K...?  Then can I be immortal??  $200K..???

IXFE, 

I can make you an offer for immortality that nobody can come close too. You might not like the outcome or your family might not like the outcome, but you will be immortal for sure......

[DarkSide]

Every boat regardless of brand is going to have some issues.  The key is how they are dealt with AND the severity/frequency of said issues.  

I had a ballast pump fail, last weekend.  Does that mean i need to go defcon 1 because a jabsco pump failed? 

Now if the failure was due to manufacturer cheaping out and specing low quality or less reliable to save a buck, then it could be a different story, but this is not the case.

Same thing with initial prop selection.   We ordered what we thought would be the best fit.   We ran it for 20 hours,  and was just not happy with cruise RPM, Surf RPM or the 32 MPH top speed.   A nice polite conversation,  and 3 days later the factory shipped me a new prop, i am now happy with RPM's, at surf and cruise, top speed is 36 and life is good.  

Its about expectations AND customer service.  

Edited June 7, 2017 by DarkSide

[spikew919]

?<--- this guy knows where the fountain of youth is, but I water boarded him 3 days straight and not a peep!!! Pretty sure he got gills ???

[Chrisjjbrown]

28 minutes ago, billjames said:

IXFE, 

I can make you an offer for immortality that nobody can come close too. You might not like the outcome or your family might not like the outcome, but you will be immortal for sure......

Just make sure the offer comes with a 5 year warranty ......

[billjames]

Just now, Chrisjjbrown said:

Just make sure the offer comes with a 5 year warranty ......

Lifetime warranty until earth is no more.....

[Slayer]

29 minutes ago, billjames said:

IXFE, 

I can make you an offer for immortality that nobody can come close too. You might not like the outcome or your family might not like the outcome, but you will be immortal for sure......

Wow man!  That's a pretty bold statement. Threatening the life of a man you don't even know.  Grown up and let it slide.

[Chrisjjbrown]

Just now, billjames said:

Lifetime warranty until earth is no more.....

Your dark Bill James

[ibelonginprison]

30 minutes ago, billjames said:

IXFE, 

I can make you an offer for immortality that nobody can come close too. You might not like the outcome or your family might not like the outcome, but you will be immortal for sure......

And I can very much do the same for you, should you feel the need to continue that tone.