2018 23 LSV

[mikeo]

Here's a random '18 23 LSV question for all of you since my "google-fu" is failing me today: does anyone know the name of the type of hinge used for the seat cushions seen at 2:02 - 2:05 in the walk-through video https://vimeo.com/222276708

Chris calls it an "over the top" hinge, but that doesn't get me anything similar in my search. I'm looking for a hinge like this for a project in my '15, and it's not to replace the hinges on my seat cushions. Yet...

 

[wheelman]

8 minutes ago, mikeo said:

Here's a random '18 23 LSV question for all of you since my "google-fu" is failing me today: does anyone know the name of the type of hinge used for the seat cushions seen at 2:02 - 2:05 in the walk-through video https://vimeo.com/222276708

Chris calls it an "over the top" hinge, but that doesn't get me anything similar in my search. I'm looking for a hinge like this for a project in my '15, and it's not to replace the hinges on my seat cushions. Yet...

 

I can tell you it's the same hinge as the nautique g uses. 

[Stevo]

3 minutes ago, wheelman said:

I can tell you it's the same hinge as the nautique g uses. 

+1

[pauley71]

43 minutes ago, mikeo said:

Here's a random '18 23 LSV question for all of you since my "google-fu" is failing me today: does anyone know the name of the type of hinge used for the seat cushions seen at 2:02 - 2:05 in the walk-through video https://vimeo.com/222276708

Chris calls it an "over the top" hinge, but that doesn't get me anything similar in my search. I'm looking for a hinge like this for a project in my '15, and it's not to replace the hinges on my seat cushions. Yet...

 

In cabinets its called a Full Overlay hinge.  I've never heard of an "over the top" hinge although if you lay a cabinet on its back .. a full overlay would do the same thing.

[Cole2001]

9 hours ago, ahopkinsTXi said:

For those who have been in a 2018. Did you notice the vinyl was different? I was told they were changing. 

I wouldn't be able to tell you from my experience. But I do remember the dealer saying it was the same new stuff as before. 

[Fffrank]

1 hour ago, mikeo said:

 

Chris calls it an "over the top" hinge, but that doesn't get me anything similar in my search. I'm looking for a hinge like this for a project in my '15, and it's not to replace the hinges on my seat cushions. Yet...

 

Is it this hinge? http://www.teclausa.com/hatch-hinges

[05hammerhead]

1 hour ago, pauley71 said:

In cabinets its called a Full Overlay hinge.  I've never heard of an "over the top" hinge although if you lay a cabinet on its back .. a full overlay would do the same thing.

Thats definitely not a cabinet full overlay hinge, but yes, same idea

 

1 minute ago, Fffrank said:

Is it this hinge? http://www.teclausa.com/hatch-hinges

Looks right. 

[mikeo]

4 minutes ago, Fffrank said:

Is it this hinge? http://www.teclausa.com/hatch-hinges

Awesome! thank you!

[bamabonners]

dude needs to get his dirty tennis out of the boat... seriously man...

[IXFE]

I surfed today without the wedge... no me gusta

I first rode with my normal speed and setup. Then I asked my wife to leave everything the same only raise the wedge. After a few minutes I added the wedge back...

Without the wedge the wave was easily surfable, but a bit flatter, softer, and a little less push. Landing my baby airs you could really feel how much softer the wave was than I'm used to. 

So, there you go. Keep the wedge down fellas. 

[Bawshogg]

I went through that same progression ....only with the the original fixed wedge... then onto the floater.... and finally the PW. 

I always went back to using it. It adds push and firmness to to wave that you just can't achieve without it. 

 

[AussieSkier]

was the drivers view better without the wedge?

[wakebrdr94]

16 hours ago, Sailvi767 said:

In the end displacement is what creates a wave. That is why surf boats are gaining weight so rapidly. The shape of the hull can have a small impact but it's down in the noise compared to weight.

   the hull has a small effect?  That's like saying because you put a tower on a Yamaha jet it's a true wakeboard boat.  If that was the case, there shouldn't be much difference in wake or wave between a Malibu and an eliminator that weigh the same.  5000lbs is 5000 lbs right?

   I don't think many would argue the hull change made a big improvement in the MXZ line.  Like it or not, hull is a huge factor.  I'm not saying Malibu is the best, But you can't say the boat with "the most weight" makes the best wake or wave

[IXFE]

2 hours ago, AussieSkier said:

was the drivers view better without the wedge?

Idk... my wife didn't comment. Physics says no wedge means bow is lower, so yeah maybe slightly better view.  But the 25 lsv doesn't run bow high anyway. And even if it was better without the wedge, so what?  A mushy wave isn't worth it. 

[Stevo]

8 hours ago, IXFE said:

I surfed today without the wedge... no me gusta

I first rode with my normal speed and setup. Then I asked my wife to leave everything the same only raise the wedge. After a few minutes I added the wedge back...

Without the wedge the wave was easily surfable, but a bit flatter, softer, and a little less push. Landing my baby airs you could really feel how much softer the wave was than I'm used to. 

So, there you go. Keep the wedge down fellas. 

I told y'all so

[Sailvi767]

9 hours ago, wakebrdr94 said:

   the hull has a small effect?  That's like saying because you put a tower on a Yamaha jet it's a true wakeboard boat.  If that was the case, there shouldn't be much difference in wake or wave between a Malibu and an eliminator that weigh the same.  5000lbs is 5000 lbs right?

   I don't think many would argue the hull change made a big improvement in the MXZ line.  Like it or not, hull is a huge factor.  I'm not saying Malibu is the best, But you can't say the boat with "the most weight" makes the best wake or wave

It's simply physics. To displace water (create a wave) you need weight. Hull design can change the shape of the wake but in the end to displace water you need displacement. The biggest change from the 2016 MXZ22 to the 2017 was weight. More empty weight, more ballast and I believe a bigger wedge. The wedge acts as additional displacement. Not considering the wedge, just boat and factory ballast the 2017 MXZ is 20% heavier than the 2016 and earlier model.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Sailvi767

[ahopkins22LSV]

2 hours ago, Sailvi767 said:

It's simply physics. To displace water (create a wave) you need weight. Hull design can change the shape of the wake but in the end to displace water you need displacement. The biggest change from the 2016 MXZ22 to the 2017 was weight. More empty weight, more ballast and I believe a bigger wedge. The wedge acts as additional displacement. Not considering the wedge, just boat and factory ballast the 2017 MXZ is 20% heavier than the 2016 and earlier model.

PWII Came out in 2015 and the hull change for the MXZ significantly improved the surf wake. Malibu state that they increased the ballast by 550 lbs for the new MXZ. And while they did that you actually can't fit as big of bags in the rear lockers now. So not sure how much the delta actually is.

Only 450 pound delta in dry weight as well.

2015 22MXZ 4400 lbs dry

2017 22MXZ 4850 lbs dry

Yes, you have to have displacement to create a surf wave, but if weight early SG gen boats with the same weight as the current SG boats you will, without question, get a way better surf wave with the new boats. The new hulls play a huge roll in the surf wave.

[AndySC]

Can I only upload one photo at a time? This is crazy, I have tons of photos from Inland Boat Company's new 23 and other boats that I would like to share. 

[AndySC]

[UpperleftWake]

Finally, no more carpet seat bases. 

[wheelman]

Still have the useless walk way speakers I see. When will they learn that you can't hear these and the staging is terrible for the driver. You know the  one spending the 100k

[kerpluxal]

On 7/26/2017 at 4:41 AM, ahopkinsTXi said:

Others aren't using "the wedge" because Malibu hold the patent right?

And I disagree that isn't still ideal for surfing. I just spent the last week surfing the M235, mxz 22 and 23 LSV (2017's) and all of them greatly benefited from wedge settings. You could easily adjust from a longer mellow wave to a shorter steep wave with the wedge.

I didn't try any of them without wedge though. My guess is if you like a longer wave, not using the wedge will still be good for you. 

Thank you.. I have been saying this over and over when others say they need the surfgate to be adjustable. I like no wedge when I skim..

[ahopkins22LSV]

10 minutes ago, kerpluxal said:

Thank you.. I have been saying this over and over when others say they need the surfgate to be adjustable. I like no wedge when I skim..

I have too. Idk maybe we do need SG to be adjustable but I also have to imagine Malibu has tried this and there is a reason why it isn't.  

[Dan Lee]

55 minutes ago, ahopkinsTXi said:

I have too. Idk maybe we do need SG to be adjustable but I also have to imagine Malibu has tried this and there is a reason why it isn't.  

Malibu found the best position for the best wave & gives it to you every time.  No need to try dialing in with all the other "less than best" positions.  Wedge adjustability will handle the rest.

 

This helps save you time & maximize ride time, similar to other theories of turbo fast ballast fill & drain times.

Edited July 27, 2017 by Dan Lee

[ahopkins22LSV]

52 minutes ago, Dan Lee said:

Malibu found the best position for the best wave & gives it to you every time.  No need to try dialing in with all the other "less than best" positions.  Wedge adjustability will handle the rest.

 

This helps save you time & maximize ride time, similar to other theories of turbo fast ballast fill & drain times.

I agree and have said the same thing on here multiple times. I forget what thread was most recent. Maybe I/we have blinders but I feel like it would be a very easy thing to trial in the search for making the best surf wave. So that's why I feel they have tried and there is a reason it's a fixed position.