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The Hulk

120" wide boat beams

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The Hulk

So another fun topic. How long before a Surf Boat has a 10 foot beam? I mean how many people drop their boat in once a year and pull it out that's it.. pontoon companies are already doing it how long before the wakeboat market? I'd get one for sure! 

That trailer stuff is overrated! Ha.. I mean my 25 darn near needs a CDL anyways.. why not go the whole way.. I honestly think there is a large enough market that drop their boat in and take it out at the end of the year that would consider this especially those that don't even put it in and don't even take it out themselves.. 

Fun food for thought

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DarkSide

Actually even a fair amount of I/o are 9+, so I agree, technically with guide poles we are all 9' now!

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CumminsBu

I can see where your coming from, but you can buy a twin engine v-drive Yacht.

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The Hulk
3 hours ago, CumminsBu said:

I can see where your coming from, but you can buy a twin engine v-drive Yacht.

I think the wife would be happier as well

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Fman

The wakeboard wake would be rediculously wide on 9-10' beam width.  There is a difference between a 100" and 102" beam wakeboard wake width.  I don't see any wider beams coming in wakeboats, unless it was solely going to be used for surfing.

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tjklein

I don't think we'll see any 120" boats for a couple reasons.

1.  It would take a crazy amount of ballast to weight a boat with that type of surface area unless it's a really deep V.  I don't want to get into the physics of it, but if you think about it you know what I'm saying.

2.  If someone did make it and add the ballast needed it would probably be banned shortly after due to the size of the wake.  At a certain point, which we're nearing, the surf wave really becomes obnoxious for other boaters.  I'm all for big waves, but you know there's a point when it will be too much for other boaters or lake home owners.

3.  You for sure won't be able to trailer the thing anywhere legally.  :-)

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carguy79ta

you would need 15000 lbs ballast in the 12000 lb boat.  a massively stout surf gate and a 24" wheel to push it.  look for a 5' tall wave. 

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The Hulk
On 10/1/2016 at 4:02 PM, Fman said:

The wakeboard wake would be rediculously wide on 9-10' beam width.  There is a difference between a 100" and 102" beam wakeboard wake width.  I don't see any wider beams coming in wakeboats, unless it was solely going to be used for surfing.

Seems that's the only thing anyone does anymore at least 90% of people buying if I had to guess

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The Hulk

The main reason is a deeper v without sacrificing.as much storage.. better wave and room obviously.. centurion and MB have deeper v but very shallow storage on the sides.. but deep in center.. but room is the main thing .. obviously a lot more weight would be needed but sounds awesome..

Google centurions new  Ri257 looks like a deep v beast at 25'7" monster with 5450lbs stock ballast.. 101 gal fuel tank.what a  Monster  12k boat with a very light crew. 13k easy.. I'm jealous.. but at this point why not go wider.. marinas and dealers will pick em up and deliver them like they already do..

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67King

It seems to me that a strong majority of Malibu/MC/CC/etc. customers trailer their boats.  Weight isn't the problem.  Max trailer width in most states is 8'6".  Would require a special permit to move it wiht the pilot cars and all that crap.  Even for those of us who don't trailer, how expensive would it be to just get the boat to us?  Or for service?  I honestly do not see a market big enough to warrant pursuit for that.  

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NWBU
20 minutes ago, The Hulk said:

The main reason is a deeper v without sacrificing.as much storage.. better wave and room obviously.. centurion and MB have deeper v but very shallow storage on the sides.. but deep in center.. but room is the main thing .. obviously a lot more weight would be needed but sounds awesome..

Google centurions new  Ri257 looks like a deep v beast at 25'7" monster with 5450lbs stock ballast.. 101 gal fuel tank.what a  Monster  12k boat with a very light crew. 13k easy.. I'm jealous.. but at this point why not go wider.. marinas and dealers will pick em up and deliver them like they already do..

You guys in the eastern half of the US are lucky with so many lake and waterfront properties but most of us in the western half or so have to trailer our boats each week. Realistically such a boat would only be for the lake crew, unless our crews expand to include a wide-load flagger.

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carguy79ta

I think on the permit issue you can get a permanent permit.  I know that certain AT(all terrain or truck) cranes that are over 9' wide have that.  they don't have to call the permit office every time they move the rig.  also as mentioned our trailers are well over 8'6" (which is the legal limit).  and escort vehicles in MO are not required until you are 12' wide.  all that to say this.  we can probably tow a wider boat without being hassled, but up to the driver as to what he feels comfortable with. if the boat is big enough to be hauled on a stepdeck trailer and be towed by a semi then a permit would be required wherever it went (if it were over width).

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DarkSide

Some of the larger trailered fishing boats, are already 9-10' beam.  Even the 28' Chaparral are 9' beam. 28' Chaparral is only slightly bigger than 25 LSV, due to swim platform included in the length of Chaparral.  So thier "wakeboard" series Sunesta the 284 is a 9' beam.  The 30' SSX  is 9.5' beam.

I agree with Hulk, surfing is the direction the industry is going.   Wakeboarding will become the skiing of today.   A few people who really like it but not for the masses.  

The other side to this is most are happy to drop the rope and drink a beer.   Almost any thing will allow that....

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The Hulk

10ft wide pontoons are becoming popular is all i can say... crazy... Boat Lift companies are scrambling to come out with wider lifts now due to those pontoons. newer 144+ wide lifts.. 

All i can say is if someone makes a 10ft wide 25-26ft surf boat i'm buying one! 

I also think it would be key in the smaller boat line for lakes with 20-22ft limits, i would imagine those folks to want more room as well. ....

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carguy79ta

I boat in a lake with 22 ft limit. if I could buy a wider and say 7000 lb boat that I can sink with another 6000 or so I would be all over it.

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DarkSide
24 minutes ago, The Hulk said:

10ft wide pontoons are becoming popular is all i can say... crazy... Boat Lift companies are scrambling to come out with wider lifts now due to those pontoons. newer 144+ wide lifts.. 

All i can say is if someone makes a 10ft wide 25-26ft surf boat i'm buying one! 

I also think it would be key in the smaller boat line for lakes with 20-22ft limits, i would imagine those folks to want more room as well. ....

This was my thought when Chappie got surfgate.... 30'er 10' beam 12,000 pounds DRY.... add 4-6000 pounds ballast, super deep V.  Ugly as sin, but there are so many possibilities....lol

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The Hulk
Just now, DarkSide said:

This was my thought when Chappie got surfgate.... 30'er 10' beam 12,000 pounds DRY.... add 4-6000 pounds ballast, super deep V.  Ugly as sin, but there are so many possibilities....lol

exactly and a more efficient FW IO with changeable prop angle on an IO..... I find this a FAIL on Malibu leasing its claim to fame, unless this is a test market and they plan to acquire Chappy. that would be smart if they did IMO.. but on that token imagine if someone like malibu or nautique acquired "bayliner" ....cheap IO surf boat... everybody and their brother would be into surfing.... this goes back to another thread but I think malibu needs to be careful on this... A 12k lb surfable Chappie with Deep V, wider beam, and a massive surf wave would sway a lot of market share away from tow boats... I dont believe anyone has weighted a Chappie with SG correctly yet, but my guess is when they do its going to be pretty great..

 

Tow boats may quickly loose their advantage as "comfort & surfing & driveability" take over the industry. wakeboarding is gone fellas...just look at major catalogs and websites where wakeboard selection is smaller than surf boards now... Surfing is the ONLY thing that matters in the tow boat industry and the #1 reason all companies are selling them... if they loose that advantage to IO's its not good news to resale value on our boats.. maybe not within a few years, but the industry is changing extremely fast. it was only 3yrs ago SG came out. 5yrs from now if there are numerous IO's at a lower cost than our towboats that achieve the same level of waves....well...we may be in for a brutal hurting on resale value... 

on the other hand if IO's start producing great waves it WILL keep the tow boat market pricing in check which is a good thing at the current rate!

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DarkSide

Not necessarily keeping prices in check.   Some i/o get expensive fast!  We have a cow at 8k for engine upgrade.   Engine upgrades in i/o world are many times that!  $150k for a cobalt is FAR FROM top of the line!

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