Why 2016 Wakesetter LSV over MC X30

[DocPhil]

The nautique tower feels sturdy but I dislike the fact that the bimini is basically always deployed. I frequently raise and lower my tower and to drop the nautique tower it is essentially a two man job to fold the bimini up and drop the tower. Apparently, the 2016s have a shock assist on the bimini to help raise it while the tower lowers. This improves the functionality.

The G3 is fine. Not the best. Not the worst. It does shake, rattle and roll a lot but I have never heard of a G3 failure.

The ZFT4 is a great tower. While the looks are highly polarizing, the mechanism and the location are perfect. It folds back and locks in the stowed position for towing. It is also positioned much more aft than other towers. Therefore, the tower speakers do not project into the boat at all while underway. For my purposes, I love a ZFT4.

[The Hulk]

The nautique tower feels sturdy but I dislike the fact that the bimini is basically always deployed. I frequently raise and lower my tower and to drop the nautique tower it is essentially a two man job to fold the bimini up and drop the tower. Apparently, the 2016s have a shock assist on the bimini to help raise it while the tower lowers. This improves the functionality.

The G3 is fine. Not the best. Not the worst. It does shake, rattle and roll a lot but I have never heard of a G3 failure.

The ZFT4 is a great tower. While the looks are highly polarizing, the mechanism and the location are perfect. It folds back and locks in the stowed position for towing. It is also positioned much more aft than other towers. Therefore, the tower speakers do not project into the boat at all while underway. For my purposes, I love a ZFT4.

does the MC tower when folded allow the back seats to be used such as pulling under a lift? or do the speakers and things fall in that area or over the back hatches?

[DocPhil]

does the MC tower when folded allow the back seats to be used such as pulling under a lift? or do the speakers and things fall in that area or over the back hatches?

The most rear seats cannot be used very effectively. However, the side seats in the main cabin area can. It also allows the driver to drive into the lift unobstructed. A guy I know has a ZFT4 and generally shifts people into the bow to drive in when he has a large crew

[bamabonners]

also another BIG reason the Nautique is much stronger than the Bu, the fiberglass is much thicker and more reinforced and dispersed in the tower mounting area, as well a wider tower base and more surface area spreads those forces more. Also the top deck is shoebox mount vs butt mount. Do i think it matters much NO....just stating the obvious.

thats also why if you take a nautique through a double up the boat itself will feel much more solid than a Bu simply for the fact the fiberglass is much thicker in numerous areas. The entire boat will rattle/shake less than a Bu will through a hard double up. This is NOT up for arguing, is a Bu too thin? again NO it works i'm just saying a Nautique is thicker fiberglass, just run your hands under seat supports, dash areas, and others, or better yet push on the side of a boat, you can easily bend the fiberglass of your BU if you try but much more difficult to do on a nautique. Again i'm not bashing Bu i like them better i'm just stating the obvious that Nautique's fiberglass is generally all around thicker , i'd like to check out the MC at the shows this year to see how they are.

You have now gone past the point of being annoying on this issue, you are now putting out false information. Malibu uses a shoebox fit. I've been to the factory and have seen it done. I really don't understand what your point is in these last 4 pages. Let it go. OP isn't even asking about a nautique.

Edited September 2, 2015 by bamabonners

[85 Barefoot]

You have now gone past the point of being annoying on this issue, you are now putting out false information. Malibu uses a shoebox fit. I've been to the factory and have seen it done. I really don't understand what your point is in these last 4 pages.

Not to mention the reinforcement at tower mounting deck locations that Malibu uses and the roving and resins are the same.

[The Hulk]

Cod lip that makes sense. Luckily I have my lift up high enough to never need to lower the tower. So folding doest affect me.

There is a nearby lake with low bridge that requires folding down to clear funny how MC is the dealer there.

[Lance B. Johnson]

Hulk, what motor oil do you run and why?

Wait don't answer that.......

Edited September 2, 2015 by Lance B. Johnson

[IXFE]

You gotta love how The Hulk was just proven dead wrong on all three of his Bu "facts" (fiberglass, shoebox, and tower mounts), yet he just ignores it all...

This thread is pure entertainment. Now imagine if Afun and Doc were here.

[MTT77]

I don't understand why you guys are debating the toobing prowess of these boats. EVERYONE knows the Yamaha 242X E-Series jet boat is the best toobing boat OF ALL TIME!.

The tower even has built-in solar panels, for crying out loud. No more worrying about your batteries while chilling at the cove, bumping tunes from the 1000 watt stereo system, and pounding Smirnoff Ice after a sick morning session of toobing.

Easy to drive, no more "walking the prop" to turn around at the local marina. This baby drives like she's on rails.

All for tens of thousands of dollars less than a high-end wake boat.

[pook77]

[ibelonginprison]

You guys are ruthless.

I mean, it's hilarious. So don't stop or anything. But still, yall shameless. lmao

and... who's DocPhil? Why do you guys keep mentioning him? Did he own both of these boats or something?
#dontbanmeitsjustajoke

:p

[MTT77]

aww, c'mon man. Was just trying to join in the fun on a topic that went off the rails a long time ago.

[bamabonners]

You guys should be proud, I didn't call the forum topic police on this one.

[Pnwrider]

This thread is pure entertainment. Now imagine if Afun and Doc were here.

What happened go afun?

[3sport]

You gotta love how The Hulk was just proven dead wrong on all three of his Bu "facts" (fiberglass, shoebox, and tower mounts), yet he just ignores it all...

This thread is pure entertainment. Now imagine if Afun and Doc were here.

Interesting threshold for "proven dead wrong" - some stranger on the Internet disagreed with him.

[ibelonginprison]

What happened go afun?

He's on vacation.

Been eerily quiet around here...

And that's not code for anything, he's literally on vacation.

Edited September 2, 2015 by ibelonginprison

[The Hulk]

Hulk, what motor oil do you run and why?

Wait don't answer that.......

WD40 sprayed on the engine right?

[IXFE]

Interesting threshold for "proven dead wrong" - some stranger on the Internet disagreed with him.

Is that what you think this is? A difference of opinion?? Are you seriously challenging me to give you hard evidence? Surely you remember that I'm the guy who filmed this just to prove that, contrary to popular TMC myth, the Malibu handles are metal, not plastic. I'm not a guy who just makes shiz up like Mr. Avenger.

What we have here is one new guy making stuff up and/or relaying myths he's read somewhere else... followed by three separate independent long time TMC contributors calling him out. Since you somehow missed where he was already proven wrong, let's review. Try to follow along this time as I will offer new evidence for the non-believers.

In this post The Hulk states the following as fact. He even goes so far as to say he's "stating the obvious" and it's "not up for arguing."

• The fiberglass in a Nautique is "much thicker" than in a Malibu (disputed by IXFE here)
• The fiberglass in a Nautique is "reinforced" under the tower whereas the Malibu's is not (disputed by 85 Barefoot here)
• Malibu uses a "butt mount" construction method as opposed to "shoe box" (disputed by Bamabonners here)

All three statements are presented as facts when in reality all three are false. I find it ironic that you call me out implying that I need proof beyond what I linked above when The Hulk has provided none himself. Facts are great! Opinions are welcome! Teasing and having fun also good! But false statement represented as fact?? That's everything that sucks about the internet and forums.

And since when are we strangers? How long have 85, Bama, and myself been on this forum? How much have we contributed in way of real hard data? If we don't collectively have more credibility than Mr. Banner, than my feelings are officially hurt.

Now the fun part. Still with me??

Let's start with the easiest. Bama is 100% right... anybody who's been to the factory knows that Malibu uses the "shoe box" method of joining the topdeck to the hull. It's been this way since the early 2000's. But you don't have to go to the factory to know this. Here's a great post discussing it. If that's not enough for you, I confirmed with a Malibu rep today that it's "shoe box." Should I screen shot his text for you. So now you have the factory tour, a Malibu rep, and an extensive TMC thread all proving "shoe box." That's right... some of us actually check our facts with real live Malibu humans before spouting off on the forum. Is that enough proof for you? You know the ironic thing about this is the notion that "butt fit" is somehow worse than "shoe box." I'm not even sure that premise if valid (see that... honest people admit when they don't know something). But whatever. Either way, the Hulk is wrong. To miss something so obvious makes me really question the rest of the crap he's spewing.

Now let's address the notion that Malibu doesn't reinforce beneath the tower mount. What proof does he offer? Does he have pics? Has he done a complete tear down of each boat? It wasn't hard for me to go down and take pics of my boat. As it turns out 85 was 100% right... just beneath the Malibu topdeck you'll find a section of fiberglass that has been reinforced... a full 1" thicker than the topdeck itself. You'll also find a massive backing plate running the length of my G4 tower base. Since all LSV's use the same fiberglass mold, the G3 boats have this same section of reinforced glass under the tower. Sorry Bruce... wrong again.

Take a look...

And just for good measure, I took a pic of the backing plate behind the cleat (many people like to claim that Bu doesn't use backing plates).

Finally the last claim... Nautique has thicker fiberglass than Malibu. Again, what proof does the green man offer? None! So let's just use some simple logic and math. The fiberglass in a boat makes up well over 50% of a boat's weight. So, if a Nautique is "much thicker" than a Malibu, wouldn't it also be "much heavier?" I mean, what exactly does The Hulk mean by "much thicker? Is it 25% thicker? 50% thicker?? If so, a Nautique would weigh at a minimum 15% - 20% more than a similar Bu, right? As it turns out, the SAN 230 is listed as only being 150 lbs. (3%) more than a 23 LSV. Sorry Hulkman, wrong again. Now I know what you're thinking, manufacturer specs can't be trusted, right? Okay, so let's just go back to math and do a sensitivity analysis... for The Hulk to be right, a SAN 230 would have to be something like 800 - 900 lbs more than a 23 LSV (i.e. about as heavy as a 1st gen G23). Does anybody really believe that's true? Go ahead and try it... open a spreadsheet and play with numbers before you just blindly believe the new guy.

Guess we'll never know until The Hulk takes both boats to a truck scale. Until then, I'm going with logic and math and calling BS once again.

[ibelonginprison]

[The Hulk]

I'm just saying go push on the side of a San 2013 and a 2013 bu . Bu fiberglass is much easier to bend. Also several other areas are thicker or more rigid if u feel around and try to flex etc..

Edited September 3, 2015 by The Hulk

[IXFE]

I'm just saying go push on the side of a San 2013 and a 2013 bu . Bu fiberglass is much easier to bend. Also several other areas are thicker or more rigid if u feel around and try to flex etc..

Is that your way of admitting you're wrong on the three "facts" you shared earlier?

Or are you simply going with "no comment?"

[thtrog]

Malibu also used carbon fiber reinforcement in critical areas; motor mounts, tracking fins, strut, rudder, tower mount...FACT

[Tims]

Since this is about the X30 vs LSV, we know that the X30 is 200 pounds heavier and a few inches shorter than the LSV. We also know that the Malibu is a chopper gun build vs hand laid. So safe to assume that the X30 has a bit more glass? Perhaps that is why they ride a bit better in the chop. Both hulls will go the distance, but the MC usually gets high marks for ride in the chop and low marks for handling vs the LSV.

Things to consider. Personally, I would rather have the better handling.

[DocPhil]

Since this is about the X30 vs LSV, we know that the X30 is 200 pounds heavier and a few inches shorter than the LSV.

The X30 is 4 inches longer than the LSV

LSV=23 feet

X30=23 feet 4 inches

[Tims]

The X30 is 4 inches longer than the LSV

LSV=23 feet

X30=23 feet 4 inches

Good catch. Perhaps the 4 inches makes up for the weight difference.