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So this up comming weekend I am trying to pump my self up to try a tantrum (trampoline back flip). Any tips on the trick, getting pumped up for it, or something else.

I can do back flips on our trampoline in my sleep, so I have the air awareness. any tips would be great!

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sounds like you are ready to go. Just make sure you get good pop and a good jump off the wake before starting the rotation. 99% of the time people will try to start rotating too early so they don't get the height they do on a normal jump. Just be patient, get airborne, and then start the rotation.

Also, I recomend trying a back roll as well. It is debatable which is easier for different people so try both and see what you like better.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

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sounds like you are ready to go. Just make sure you get good pop and a good jump off the wake before starting the rotation. 99% of the time people will try to start rotating too early so they don't get the height they do on a normal jump. Just be patient, get airborne, and then start the rotation.

Also, I recomend trying a back roll as well. It is debatable which is easier for different people so try both and see what you like better.

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

My buddy landed a backroll recently, so now I have to step up and bring the tantrum. I'll think about the backroll too.

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My advice, definately make sure you have enough rotation to finish it. Don't land on your side attempting this. I broke 2 ribs due to that. For me, too old and too dumb. Soooo, this wakesurfing thing sounds promising.

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I'm no wakeboard specialist, but a buddy of mine told me that the key is to spot your landing and don't edge on the wake. Good luck... Clap.gif

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I'm no wakeboard specialist, but a buddy of mine told me that the key is to spot your landing and don't edge on the wake. Good luck... Clap.gif

My suggestion is to go for it but make sure you have good health insurance or a doctor on board. Biggrin.gif

Good luck I can only wish I was that good.

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I'm no wakeboard specialist, but a buddy of mine told me that the key is to spot your landing and don't edge on the wake. Good luck... Clap.gif

My suggestion is to go for it but make sure you have good health insurance or a doctor on board. Biggrin.gif

Good luck I can only wish I was that good.

I've got my insurance, and a boat full of eagle scouts, so I think im covered, safety wise. I'm not too woried about getting hurt. It has become so common for me, its not even a worry, it'll happen or it wont. I just try and stay semi in shape to help prevent a few injuries.

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First, learn proper shoulder alignment and rope control with a rope on a trampoline.

Second, Be sure to throw backwards off the wake and not over your outside shoulder, if you do that, you never get inverted, and you go into a side spin that cause a cased landing on your ribs.

Third, I respect Chaunce's opinion, but disagree. The tantrum is absolutely a trick that you do NOT want to hold an edge all the way through the wake. As you get to the trough, let go with your rear hand and allow your shoulders to get pulled parallel with the boat. As you continue up the wake, your body and the board will continue to get "more in line". As you leave the wake, throw straight back. The idea is to flip around the axis of the rope. That can't be done if you still have an edge in at the peak of the wake, or if you do, it's less consistent and more out of control. I think you will find that it is incredibly easy to get around on this trick, so don't be afraid of the fall. That said, on my 3rd try I stuck my foot through the binding up to my knee!!

As for getting psyched, put some RageATM on in the boat. On the very FIRST attempt, give it your best shot. If you [email protected]$$ it on your first attempt, it's much easier to be gun shy on your second. You will have no problem spotting your landing, as long as you commit.

Almost forgot...most important thing...choose a rope length and speed that sets you down juts outside the wake (not too far in the flats). Then, when it's time for the real thing, you will come down on the crest, creating a much softer and forgiving "pad" than the flats. Good luck and let us know how it goes. I bet you land it within 5 tries, honestly. The tantrum is, IMO, the easiest to learn and the most consistent invert there is. Thats nice to know when it's time to try other tantrum-based tricks. You'll also find that it will help you with a switch scarecrow as well, which may sound strange, but you may want to consider it as your next trick to learn. Again, good luck!

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Lots of good advise above. I agree with all of it in some form or another. Only points I'd like to reiterate would be - backroll/tantrum - give em both a whirl cause most find one easier than the other and well you don't know which till you try them both. But you didn't ask about backrolls so on with tantrum advise. Funny thing about tantrums is they can be done both cutting up and through the wake like chaunce says and with the switch edge technique like JohnDoe suggests. Both ways are vaild. Every time I see someone try them and myself included about half the time - we don't wait long enough. Meaning if you are setting up for the trick in the trough their is a good chance that you will not utilize the entire wake. Watch a pro rider who is out rippin' it... they do as chaunce says and cut all the way through the wake then throw the trick - and it is insanly huge. So while learning the trick I'd say learn it like JohnDoe says but remember to WAIT - don't actually throw it till you are near the peak of the wake or in the air. My 2 cents.

Good luck!

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Third, I respect Chaunce's opinion, but disagree. The tantrum is absolutely a trick that you do NOT want to hold an edge all the way through the wake. As you get to the trough, let go with your rear hand and allow your shoulders to get pulled parallel with the boat. As you continue up the wake, your body and the board will continue to get "more in line". As you leave the wake, throw straight back. The idea is to flip around the axis of the rope. That can't be done if you still have an edge in at the peak of the wake, or if you do, it's less consistent and more out of control.

This probably explains why my tantrum attemps are sometimes a bit out of control, occasionally with with an unanticipated 180 thrown in... Crazy.gifCrazy.gifCrazy.gif

I've tried it the other way but if I don't hold the edge all the way up the wake I don't get the big air neccessary to clear the wake at 80 feet and I am morally opposed to shortening the rope for just one trick. Biggrin.gif

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Cutting all the way through the wake works great if you have done 10,000 tantrums, TTF, TTB, and whirlys, but to learn the trick, you absolutely need to create (artificially if need be) an axis that is repeatable. The pros can have a more agresive axis because they get to ride all day. For learning the move, you need to make as many variables as consistent as possible. Being parallel with the boat is easy to do, natural for the move, and is repeatable. I highly suggest it. When nerd starts busting nuclear tantrums then, IMO, he can work on eeking out every last foot of air. Not to mention that a more controlled parallel release from the wake is a much easier starting block for doing them to blind, fakie, or whirly. Even Modydicks and whirly 5's get done from a parallel-pop. Those guys absolutely allow themselves to fall into alignment to go up and back, as opposed to a diagonal axis to the boat. JM2C. To each his own, good luck!

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Third, I respect Chaunce's opinion, but disagree. The tantrum is absolutely a trick that you do NOT want to hold an edge all the way through the wake. As you get to the trough, let go with your rear hand and allow your shoulders to get pulled parallel with the boat. As you continue up the wake, your body and the board will continue to get "more in line". As you leave the wake, throw straight back. The idea is to flip around the axis of the rope. That can't be done if you still have an edge in at the peak of the wake, or if you do, it's less consistent and more out of control.

This probably explains why my tantrum attemps are sometimes a bit out of control, occasionally with with an unanticipated 180 thrown in... Crazy.gifCrazy.gifCrazy.gif

I've tried it the other way but if I don't hold the edge all the way up the wake I don't get the big air neccessary to clear the wake at 80 feet and I am morally opposed to shortening the rope for just one trick. Biggrin.gif

Well, from the size of your raley chaunce, I'd say your edge addiction is a good thing! Biggrin.gif

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Cutting all the way through the wake works great if you have done 10,000 tantrums, TTF, TTB, and whirlys, but to learn the trick, you absolutely need to create (artificially if need be) an axis that is repeatable. The pros can have a more agresive axis because they get to ride all day. For learning the move, you need to make as many variables as consistent as possible. Being parallel with the boat is easy to do, natural for the move, and is repeatable. I highly suggest it. When nerd starts busting nuclear tantrums then, IMO, he can work on eeking out every last foot of air. Not to mention that a more controlled parallel release from the wake is a much easier starting block for doing them to blind, fakie, or whirly. Even Modydicks and whirly 5's get done from a parallel-pop. Those guys absolutely allow themselves to fall into alignment to go up and back, as opposed to a diagonal axis to the boat. JM2C. To each his own, good luck!

When I start doing nuclear tantrums, ha! I've been trying nuclears for a while, I either get off axis and crash, or it looks weak. No winning. I'm also trying to add some ts tricks to my small bag. I've got ts fs 180, then grab it either indy or mute depending on when you grab it. Then just a ts w2w indy.

Thanks for all of the encouragement!! I will have pictures for all of your enjoyment!

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Hyperlite, we should ride sometime. I live in San Jose and usually ride anderson or calero weekdays and delta on weekends. I am all for teaching another person some tantrums. PM or email me.

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I learned this trick from the Schwan.

Don't under rotate or you'll waste your ankles. If you have the book, there's a really good description in there.

When you get to the wake square up your shoulders to the wake and stomp down on your front foot. Look straight up. While rotating, pull in your arm holding the rope so you have a little control for the landing.

good luck. I probably tried this trick 50 times before I fried my ankle.

I'll be back on the horse again though this year.

You just have to ball up and do it.

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