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Patent awarded to Malibu according to PR

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Cipro

http://www.malibuboats.com/news/press-releases/malibu-boats-awarded-patent-for-breakthrough-innovations-in-wakesurfing.html

Malibu Boats CEO Jack Springer said, “Malibu is proud of its history of innovation that has propelled the company to the forefront of our industry. Using Malibu's proprietary water diversion technology, a watersports boat can produce a surf wave, and almost instantaneously change the surf wave from one side of the boat to the other. Wakesurfers are finally free to surf either side of the boat with no need to wait for ballast changes or moving people around the boat. We are pleased that the Patent Office has acknowledged Malibu’s latest innovation by granting patent protection.”

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Nitrousbird

Lawsuits to follow?

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Brett B

You can read one of the application versions here:

https://www.google.com/patents/US20130213293?dq=inassignee:%22Malibu+Boats,+Llc%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7BY6UtaFHsqMyQHrxoDICw&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBA

I'm sure some of the claims were changed in the final granted patent but that one has pictures. Reading the description I think this looks like trouble for Nautique. Malibu was careful to cover the concept of a divergent wake device, and listed some possible iterations, but appears to have language covering multiple iterations that NSS would violate.

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wakebrdr94

You figure companies had to pay Natique for years with the whole tower patent, time to give some back

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Cory

The patent that issued is US 8,534,214 and it issued on Sept. 17, 2013. I'm not commenting on the scope of the claims which is the real issue, but this is the case that illustrates/describes actuated tracking fins. The applications that we would more traditionally associate with what we recognize as "surf gate" are still pending...

I just searched the public record and there appears to be four pending applications that describe what we would consider "surf gate." The first one published on Aug. 22 (US 2013/0213293) and three others published on Sept. 5th (US 2013/0228113; US 2013/0228115; US 2013/0228116). These other three appear to be continuation or continuation-in-part applications of the first application. I haven't seen Malibu file this many application surrounding an invention. They clearly view surf gate as very important to their business.

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shawndoggy

malibu cats!

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Cory

You all need to readjust your thinking about patents. Getting a patent can be the easy part. Convincing others to pay you a royalty based upon your patent or even threatening to sue another company over your patent is a whole other game. The primary use of patents is not offensive (this costs lots of $$$)... There are many other reasons for obtaining a patent. A more common use of patents is defensive (freedom to operate) and marketing (hey, our product is super special cause the government granted us a patent). These other uses don't cost so much and as we see from above, Malibu has already availed itself of the marketing purpose...

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MalibuTime

You all need to readjust your thinking about patents. Getting a patent can be the easy part. Convincing others to pay you a royalty based upon your patent or even threatening to sue another company over your patent is a whole other game. The primary use of patents is not offensive (this costs lots of $$$)... There are many other reasons for obtaining a patent. A more common use of patents is defensive (freedom to operate) and marketing (hey, our product is super special cause the government granted us a patent). These other uses don't cost so much and as we see from above, Malibu has already availed itself of the marketing purpose...

Even saying "patent pending" implies innovation and thought leadership.

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Cory

Even saying "patent pending" implies innovation and thought leadership.

My marketing example was perhaps needlessly cynical. The typical marketing use is to convey the exact message you suggest.

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mnhays

I heard from a dealer that NSS won't be around after this year...

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shawndoggy

I heard from a dealer that NSS won't be around after this year...

THAT would sure surprise me. Why not ask for $5k a boat instead?

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mnhays

THAT would sure surprise me. Why not ask for $5k a boat instead?

that's the scoop I got at the last PWT stop. I asked the Nautique dealer there as well, and they had no comment. who knows.

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nyryan2001

so this means I have the high capacity handgun LE magazine equivalent of a wakeboat!!!

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TrickyNicky

Will a G finally Appreciate! Congrats Ryan, although I have my doubts about mnhays comments for no other reason than it seems to unlikely.

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wakesetter8796

so this means I have the high capacity handgun LE magazine equivalent of a wakeboat!!!

With the 550 to boot!

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teamerickson

so this means I have the high capacity handgun LE magazine equivalent of a wakeboat!!!

Your resale value just went through the roof!

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TrickyNicky

You should probably buy another G or two now just so when it happens and you want to take advantage of the huge resale you can do so but still have a boat at the end.

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Cory

When was the first public press release about Centurion CATS?

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TrickyNicky

When was the first public press release about Centurion CATS?

If your wondering if thats a violation of these patents, I'm pretty sure Centurion patented CATS over 10 years ago. Could be wrong but they've had the idea for a while and just never put it to use.

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mnhays

Will a G finally Appreciate! Congrats Ryan, although I have my doubts about mnhays comments for no other reason than it seems to unlikely.

don't shoot the messenger! :guns::shocked: the grapevine just finds me! ;)

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TrickyNicky

don't shoot the messenger! :guns::shocked: the grapevine just finds me! ;)

So thats really true?

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Cory

If your wondering if thats a violation of these patents, I'm pretty sure Centurion patented CATS over 10 years ago. Could be wrong but they've had the idea for a while and just never put it to use.

Just curious about stuff...

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JTech

I find it amazing that they would grant a patent to a glorified trim tab moved to another part of the transom. It it was some ground breaking idea, why can I easily order all the parts and make it function like or better than the current retail offering.

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mnhays

So thats really true?

Am I sitting here saying I was told that, and that this isn't internet bs, yes.

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