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Erosion Concerns


Asmodeus2112

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Yes, up on our chain of lakes in Northern Wisconsin there is a Homeowners group that is looking into the same thing. Since we own property we see the erosion effects on our shoreline.

The DNR is involved and have been a few things that have come out as far as regulations for sea walls and their construction.

The wakeboarding (and my boys like to wakeboard) and surf wakes are really hammering our seawall, I try to stay as far off the shoreline to give the wake time to dissipate before it hits shore.

Don't know if there's an easy solution here.

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Par for the course for the city of Austin.

You also see this type of stuff in California.

I can see this being a perfect storm for regulation with a liberal/proactive Austin Government, looking at a Lake (which is more of a narrow long river), lined on both sides with super high end homes, boat houses and docks, with water that is overcrowded with the latest and greatest boats throwing the biggest surf and the loudest tunes. Yep, get ready.

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All ballast systems were banned on the Willamette river near Portland, OR by the county/state. It's a pretty narrow river, sometimes less than like 200' wide, so the big wakes reached the shore quicker than I imagine would happen on most lakes.

Then again if there are a lot of boats buzzing the shoreline, rocking docks violently, and blaring music all over, then maybe this is just being used as an excuse to try & reduce the problems.

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No LIBERALS in my direction we like good old boys.

OK, I just want this to be know I'm joking. Just a little :Tease3: I have never or will I ever judge a person not my place.

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Doesn't it seem like there is not a problem with erosion until you put grass all the way to the shoreline?

I mean is there much of an erosion problem anywhere that someone did not put a home?

The weather itself after a few windy days can destroy any homeowner's shoreline. I think this is more likely an excuse to simply get the idiots away from rich folks' homes. (as said above).

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BUT....if they are truly concerned with noise.... create a freaking noise ordinance for Pete's sake!

Not that I disagree with you, but I'd be willing to bet there IS already a noise ordinance. The problem is that they are tough to enforce. Ever hear of anyone getting a ticket for a loud stereo?

I suspect they are just creating a law that is more easily enforced. And in their eyes, it's the all the same people.

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I attended some of the public forum meetings in our area as concerned the Upper Willamette River.

It is my opinion that the meetings were a waste of time as the decision had already been made by the governor of the state and some influential homeowners on the river that had his ear. In fact, most river homeowners that spoke were against the restrictions. It is also my opinion that the major reason for the restrictions had to do with the explosion in popularity for boating that happened with wakeboarding, in combination with the increase in population in the area. The river just got busier and some homeowners didn't like that. Trying to restrict wakeboarders was an easy target.

I'm not sure that the restrictions really resulted in any change in behavior or not.

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Not that I disagree with you, but I'd be willing to bet there IS already a noise ordinance. The problem is that they are tough to enforce. Ever hear of anyone getting a ticket for a loud stereo?

I suspect they are just creating a law that is more easily enforced. And in their eyes, it's the all the same people.

Have the same problems on our lake. I have seen several comments about lake lice on this site. Well the wake boarders and surfers are quickly getting an equally bad rep...Deserved or not. And I surf, so don't jump down my throut cause I am not one of them, and the stereo in my boat, well you COULD hear me across the lake IF I wanted to. I just don't play it loud ALL the frickin time. We have folks surfing by our docks who don't know what 200 ft and a no wake zone is, and when reminded, homeowners are shown who's number 1!! or I have seen even worse.

But I do have to say, that I see that 200 feet changing, as the wakes generating by some of these boats, needs more like 1200 feet to dissipate before it slams into my dock. Or selected/approved areas where they'll be able to surf. Let them play in a sand box made for just them.

And the music. I just have to say, some of it sounds someone having a bout with tourrettes syndrom after he stubbed his big toe. . Waaay too loud, and every other word is not printable here. To the point we can't even enjoy dinner on the deck, w/o some ahole blasting his stereo. And it would not be so bad, but when talking to some of the boarders, I am told they have the right to play their music (most of it I call noise) as loud as they want. Which in theory is correct. But I have an equal right to NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEIR CRAP!! SO I tell them they can play it as loud as they want, as long as I don't hear it when out on my deck..... It really comes down to folks simply being inconsdierate of their fellow man...and as a result, ordinanes, laws restricting bad behavior, etc. are generated and enforced to curb that bad behavior.

When the home owners approach the sheriff(s) on the water, we are told just call them and they'lll be out...well that is ALWAYS too late. There is a noise ordinace, but I have never seen it enforced. Even though the shriffs talk tough about confiscating their stereo..ya right!! I know some of the homeowners have gone as far as "getting flare guns, and trying to put a cap in their arses"!! So you can imagine just how bad problem has gotten. Just like what Bill said, HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANYONE GETTING A TICKET FOR PLAYING THEIR STEREO TOOO LOUD??

AS a homeowner, paying taxes and HOAs, I try to understand and cooperate, only to be shown the finger by a bunch of (you fill in the blank)

who are on the lake to have a good time for the day, but will be gone by Sunday afternoon, hopefully!! I can also see lakes changin their launch fees, to where you can;t buy a one day pass, but a season pass at say $500...to reduce or to elimate the chuckleheads...I know of a few lakes like that already...more are going to be on the way.

And as far as the erosion, that 3,4,5 foot wake behind the boat has to go somewhere. The amont of energy involved needs to dissapate before it hits the shore or my dock, and there are a limited number of wasy to do that....one is distance, and probably the easist is to simply forbid it on your lake, river, etc.

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Not that I disagree with you, but I'd be willing to bet there IS already a noise ordinance. The problem is that they are tough to enforce. Ever hear of anyone getting a ticket for a loud stereo?

I suspect they are just creating a law that is more easily enforced. And in their eyes, it's the all the same people.

I saw a thread on Wakeworld about it once. Once. I have even been threatened once by my local ranger. But he is far from the ordinary guy, and is well known for being extremely anal. He said if he could hear it from the ramp, it was too loud, my response was that I can hear a boat engine on the other side of the lake from there as well. I don't play pornographic lyrics, and it is not turned up all the time. So, yes, extremely hard to enforce, but it can be done.

I know that most lakefront homeowners are going to be mad at me...but I find it analagous to people around here who build homes in the mountains and then complain about the deer eating their grass. Put up a fence! In this case, a wall. There are always going to be inconsiderate people, and there always have been. When you own a house on a lake, you have to literally plan on them nowadays.

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those folks that have their stereo cranked tooooo loud fit in the same category as the harley owners with open pipes.

i've recently been told why they have to crank the volume to the pia level.

picture the operator standing in soiled diapers being ignored by his mommy and continually hollering "mommy, look at me, look at me mommy".

you just know that the lack of attention as a squirt is manifest in the adult.

now when i hear the hog howling that's all i can think of...mommy, mommy, look at me....so sad.

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I saw a thread on Wakeworld about it once. Once. I have even been threatened once by my local ranger. But he is far from the ordinary guy, and is well known for being extremely anal. He said if he could hear it from the ramp, it was too loud, my response was that I can hear a boat engine on the other side of the lake from there as well. I don't play pornographic lyrics, and it is not turned up all the time. So, yes, extremely hard to enforce, but it can be done.

I know that most lakefront homeowners are going to be mad at me...but I find it analagous to people around here who build homes in the mountains and then complain about the deer eating their grass. Put up a fence! In this case, a wall. There are always going to be inconsiderate people, and there always have been. When you own a house on a lake, you have to literally plan on them nowadays.

I certainly can't speak for all lakes, but the lake in WI that I grew up on has pretty strict laws about altering the shorline, no way one could put a seawall in today on that lake.

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those folks that have their stereo cranked tooooo loud fit in the same category as the harley owners with open pipes.

i've recently been told why they have to crank the volume to the pia level.

picture the operator standing in soiled diapers being ignored by his mommy and continually hollering "mommy, look at me, look at me mommy".

you just know that the lack of attention as a squirt is manifest in the adult.

now when i hear the hog howling that's all i can think of...mommy, mommy, look at me....so sad.

I know this is off topic, and I'll likely offend a few, but this reminded me of a scene at the boat ramp the other day. (At least it was Lake Austin, so maybe relevant?) Group of people in a fairly new Moomba, all the flashy stuff. Although I bet the stickers cost more than the engine. Anyway, clearly been out on the lake drinking most of the day. So, one guy goes and gets the big lifted dodge and drops the trailer. Another guy drives the boat with about 8 people onto the trailer. Nobody gets out of the boat. Music is on. They then spend about another 30 minutes trying to pull the boat out of the water. I'm watching a 40k truck trying to pull a 50k boat out of the water, but the "look at me mommy" guys are to thick to get anyone out of the boat and into the truck. Man, lots of power was applied and lots of wheel spin. How does one get the cash for a rig like that and not have the common sense to switch something up when there clearly is a problem? Lots of people waiting, and the two ramps next to them cycled probably 3-4 boats in the time that it took the dude to finally pull his boat up the hill with much smoke and excruciating noise and ignorance....

Edit: I shouldn't have written this, spent 5 hours in the Dentist chair today and drank a few beers after work...

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It is without a dough a problem on our lake. With that said it is not boarders and surfers that are the primary offenders. Much of the blame goes to tubers and bigger boats. Boats being run at the optimal wake speed. I bet many of the operators are completely unaware of what they are doing. Noise is just as big a problem.

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It's like anything and everything in life....there are a few people who just take it too far, and they f- it up for everyone else. What do I mean?

1. why is it necessary to crank up the stereo so that everyone on the lake (including home owners) has to hear your music?

2. why not stay away from homes or the shoreline when wakeboarding? Go out in the middle of the lake and stay there.....

3. don't wakeboard all day! Just do it for short stretches and lessen the wave impact on other people.

4. do you really need a monster wake? or can you have fun on a modest sized wake?

Just a bit of modesty and moderation in behavior goes a long way with these things......

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I guess I don't get the whole obnoxious stereo thing. When we're out, we're out with family and good friends. I don't WANT to drown them out. I want to be able to talk to them. That's what we're out there for. The only time our stereo is cranked is when the boat is anchored and we're hanging out at the sand bar or taking a dip on a hot summer day drifting out in the middle of the lake where nobody's going to hear it.

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It's like anything and everything in life....there are a few people who just take it too far, and they f- it up for everyone else. What do I mean?

1. why is it necessary to crank up the stereo so that everyone on the lake (including home owners) has to hear your music?

2. why not stay away from homes or the shoreline when wakeboarding? Go out in the middle of the lake and stay there.....

3. don't wakeboard all day! Just do it for short stretches and lessen the wave impact on other people.

4. do you really need a monster wake? or can you have fun on a modest sized wake?

Just a bit of modesty and moderation in behavior goes a long way with these things......

1. according to my son wakeboarding and hering loud music clearly makes you better (i don't agree)

2. staying close to shore helps dissipate the wake

3. come on

4. evan at 51 I like a monster wake

I am not saying your wrong on anything and I agree that moderation and respect need apply. just giving the other side.

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As an owner of a lakehouse, I would argue that it isn't the erosion that is the issue, its the damage done to our docks from the monster wakes that are put out mostly while surfing. All of the docks on our lake are floating docks and these huge wakes really bash them around pretty good. I don't want to spend $25k on a dock and lift and have to keep making repairs because someone wants to surf 40 feet from my dock. I'm lucky in that our house is near the end of the cove so I dont have as much of a problem as my neighbors who live closer to the main channel of the lake. Bottom line is that you are responsible for your wake and any damage it causes to someone elses boat or dock. On our lake, there is plenty of shoreline with no homes and people could surf in that part of the lake without upsetting anyone.

As far as loud stereos, I don't care as long as the profanity is kept to a reasonable level.

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