Best New Crossover from CC

[TrickyNicky]

This was just pointed out in another thread:

http://www.wakeworld...utique-200.html

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/showthread.php?18004-Pictures-Sport-Nautique-200

Personally, I think this is AWESOME!!! I love our VTX and it does everything we could ever want but I think Malibu was just one-upped. And I'm happy about that, it keeps the industry moving.

I think this will ski better than the VTX but probably not wake better. And IF I were getting a new boat every year like some ppl, I'd prob be in one of these next year. Kudos to CC. Looks like a wicked ride. I'm already sold, just my wallet isn't.

EDIT: I forgot how to spell in my excitement

Edited July 19, 2010 by TrickyNicky

['07VLX]

This is why you can buy the Diamond Hull. I personally am not a fan of CC. My buddy has a Ski Nautiqe, and another one has an Air Nautiqe, and i don't like either as much as my BU. Even when i get my VLX up to 30 MPH w/ the wake hull it throws a pretty good skiing wake.

[Malibudude]

Um, not sure from that post how one can make that leap. Welcome to the show CC it's only taken 3 years to catchup w/ a 20' vdrive. The bow looks awfully familiar....

[bareftskier]

I may be in the minority, but do people really like the teak???

[TrickyNicky]

I may be in the minority, but do people really like the teak???

LOVE teak...but not enough to take care of it. Thats all faux teak by the way.

['07VLX]

I'd rather have my foam deck than teak by FAR. I would like my knees to be working when im 70...

[martinarcher]

Um, not sure from that post how one can make that leap. Welcome to the show CC it's only taken 3 years to catchup w/ a 20' vdrive. The bow looks awfully familiar....

Agreed. Bu's Sunsetter VLX has been doing what that boat does for almost 10 years.

[Lakenut]

Interesting...did anyone notice the ski pylon right behind the driver, where it would be in a DD? Must be removeable somehow. I am also not likeing all of the wood in the boat. On the back of the boat...nothing beats the look of a teak swim platform. Just why in the boat. I too am a fan of softness inside the boat.

Great to see innovation and new stuff coming out in the industry. But, I bet it will cost 20% more than an equally equipt VTX too, being that it is a Nautank.

[Malibuzer]

As mentioned earlier, the platform is not teak, neither is the walkover. It is a cheesy looking foam that looks like wood. You can get it in other colors (grey I think) on the direct drive 200. They are solid boats though! It would be interesting to see it it person. They do have some nice seating options.

[FIC]

This was just pointed out in another thread:

http://www.wakeworld...utique-200.html

http://www.planetnautique.com/vb3/showthread.php?18004-Pictures-Sport-Nautique-200

Personally, I think this is AWESOME!!! I love our VTX and it does everything we could ever want but I think Malibu was just one-upped. And I'm happy about that, it keeps the industry moving.

I think this will ski better than the VTX but probably not wake better. And IF I were getting a new boat every year like some ppl, I'd prob be in one of these next year. Kudos to CC. Looks like a wicked ride. I'm already sold, just my wallet isn't.

EDIT: I forgot how to spell in my excitement

The verdick is still out for me , but unless they have changed something drastically in the hull the CC doesnt handle , ride or perform anywhere close to a BU, and I get to drive them all on a regular basis.

[TrickyNicky]

Agreed. Bu's Sunsetter VLX has been doing what that boat does for almost 10 years.

Well if you guys are going to pull that out, Nautique, MC etc have been making good ski boats for 50 years. But the newer boats are better at it. I don't think this is ground-breaking but I'm glad to see that their is probably a better skiing v-drive out there. You can ski behind a 247 but generally I don't think you would want to. And as much as I love my VTX I'd never take it over a DD for skiing. I just think this would ski that much better. BTW before you guys go bashing away, have you read anything about the Ski Nautique 200. Seems their are lots of records and PB's behind it. If thats more or less the same hull as they claim sounds promising, and by the looks of the picture, it looks like a good ski wake too.

[board brained]

I may be in the minority, but do people really like the teak???

yep....old school man, looks fantastic....but you do have to look after, especailly in salt water

[Malibudude]

Well if you guys are going to pull that out, Nautique, MC etc have been making good ski boats for 50 years. But the newer boats are better at it. I don't think this is ground-breaking but I'm glad to see that their is probably a better skiing v-drive out there. You can ski behind a 247 but generally I don't think you would want to. And as much as I love my VTX I'd never take it over a DD for skiing. I just think this would ski that much better. BTW before you guys go bashing away, have you read anything about the Ski Nautique 200. Seems their are lots of records and PB's behind it. If thats more or less the same hull as they claim sounds promising, and by the looks of the picture, it looks like a good ski wake too.

Um, ever skied behind a say Prostar 197 from the mid 90's.....lol

Mastercraft..42 years

CC 85 years to be exact...

They are the late in the game to come to the table w/ a 20' crossover boat, that's all I'm saying. That teak, really that makes it Gilligan looking. There isn't any evidence to say it's got a better slalom wake, now the removable center pylon is interesting. CC 200 pulled our last INT and wasn't impressed...in fact a '94 prostar 190 imho was as good. Looks like they modified the CC 200 hull to add lift to the rear.

[85 Barefoot]

removable pylon was put in the 214v. Was nice I guess, but wake was not that impressive. No VTX that's for sure.

[85 Barefoot]

Well if you guys are going to pull that out, Nautique, MC etc have been making good ski boats for 50 years. But the newer boats are better at it. I don't think this is ground-breaking but I'm glad to see that their is probably a better skiing v-drive out there. You can ski behind a 247 but generally I don't think you would want to. And as much as I love my VTX I'd never take it over a DD for skiing. I just think this would ski that much better. BTW before you guys go bashing away, have you read anything about the Ski Nautique 200. Seems their are lots of records and PB's behind it. If thats more or less the same hull as they claim sounds promising, and by the looks of the picture, it looks like a good ski wake too.

Why? Because it's based on the 200?

Do You know what hull and brand held the world record prior to Parrish's recent 2 @43? You know what hull Jamie Beachesne ran 2 @43 behind but wasn't certified because the end course video didn't come out? The SV23. A lot of people are happy with the wakes of the 200 but if you read around though there are plenty of people who are less than thrilled, one of which has a hard time even reaching skiing speed! Barefooting will be impossible with this new sport, and my guess is that even skiing speeds will require that motor to be wrung out.

[85 Barefoot]

Well if you guys are going to pull that out, Nautique, MC etc have been making good ski boats for 50 years. But the newer boats are better at it. I don't think this is ground-breaking but I'm glad to see that their is probably a better skiing v-drive out there. You can ski behind a 247 but generally I don't think you would want to. And as much as I love my VTX I'd never take it over a DD for skiing. I just think this would ski that much better. BTW before you guys go bashing away, have you read anything about the Ski Nautique 200. Seems their are lots of records and PB's behind it. If thats more or less the same hull as they claim sounds promising, and by the looks of the picture, it looks like a good ski wake too.

I just found the picture on wakeworld. You have more time looking at your VTX wake, but how that 200 wake looks like a "good" ski wake to you is beyond me.

[TrickyNicky]

Looks like this is another agree to disagree topic. Looks like we'll have to wait and see what the verdict is.

BTW the current crossover 211 was their competition for the VTX, and the general consensus was teh VTX was the better skiing v-drive, and wakeboarding, and...well you get it. So I'd imagine if they're coming out with this new 200 sport it has to at least beat it's replacement and I'd imagine they would have tried to up the ante and raise the bar from the VTX.

[UberXY]

I love teak, but only on other peoples boats.

[85 Barefoot]

Looks like this is another agree to disagree topic. Looks like we'll have to wait and see what the verdict is.

BTW the current crossover 211 was their competition for the VTX, and the general consensus was teh VTX was the better skiing v-drive, and wakeboarding, and...well you get it. So I'd imagine if they're coming out with this new 200 sport it has to at least beat it's replacement and I'd imagine they would have tried to up the ante and raise the bar from the VTX.

I agree we'll have to disgaree, though there is no "right" anyway.

After being in the ski boat market for 20 years, I can tell you that is not always the case. Mastercraft, Correct Craft, and Malibu have all introduced new models which were inferior to the models they were replacing. Selling boats is their goal, and usually that is commensurate with improving model lineup, sometimes not.

Correct Craft will always sell their share of boats simply because they're correct craft, this one will be no different no matter how well it performs. For example, how anyone ever bought a sport nautique (now sn 216) in the early to mid 2000s is beyond me. They obvisouly didn't drive a sunsetter lxi. But, CC sold plenty. IF people compare the VTX to the new sport 200 and evaluate the performance of each without paying attention to the badging, I will be shocked if people prefer the 200 from the looks of that wake and the all around performance of the malibu hulls as compared to a v drive using a hull from an undeniably "ski-specific" hull. Barefooting would be miserable behind the 200 if you could even do it, the wakeboard wake shape looks typically correct craft which washes over extremely easy, and, well, that slalom wake doesn't look appealing at all. Will it fit some people's needs, sure, but did Correct Craft raise the bar? I'm not seeing that, but, I'm sure they'll sell plenty.

Tricky, did you start the same type of thread last year when mastercraft came out with the 214v last year, which was their attempt to raise the bar with a good-skiing vdrive? The '01-'04 sunscape lsv's ski better than that boat (the 214v), and the vtx skis superior to those '01-'04 diamonds. Heck someone wanted to barefoot (behind the 214v) the other day and the boat was pinned to go 38! If MC or CC could build an a skiable vdrive as well as malibu does AND provide great performance for vdrive sports ie surfing, etc., they would have done it already. Not that you're not, but I think you will be happy with your boat for a long time.

[TrickyNicky]

I agree we'll have to disgaree, though there is no "right" anyway.

After being in the ski boat market for 20 years, I can tell you that is not always the case. Mastercraft, Correct Craft, and Malibu have all introduced new models which were inferior to the models they were replacing. Selling boats is their goal, and usually that is commensurate with improving model lineup, sometimes not.

Correct Craft will always sell their share of boats simply because they're correct craft, this one will be no different no matter how well it performs. For example, how anyone ever bought a sport nautique (now sn 216) in the early to mid 2000s is beyond me. They obvisouly didn't drive a sunsetter lxi. But, CC sold plenty. IF people compare the VTX to the new sport 200 and evaluate the performance of each without paying attention to the badging, I will be shocked if people prefer the 200 from the looks of that wake and the all around performance of the malibu hulls as compared to a v drive using a hull from an undeniably "ski-specific" hull. Barefooting would be miserable behind the 200 if you could even do it, the wakeboard wake shape looks typically correct craft which washes over extremely easy, and, well, that slalom wake doesn't look appealing at all. Will it fit some people's needs, sure, but did Correct Craft raise the bar? I'm not seeing that, but, I'm sure they'll sell plenty.

Tricky, did you start the same type of thread last year when mastercraft came out with the 214v last year, which was their attempt to raise the bar with a good-skiing vdrive? The '01-'04 sunscape lsv's ski better than that boat (the 214v), and the vtx skis superior to those '01-'04 diamonds. Heck someone wanted to barefoot (behind the 214v) the other day and the boat was pinned to go 38! If MC or CC could build an a skiable vdrive as well as malibu does AND provide great performance for vdrive sports ie surfing, etc., they would have done it already. Not that you're not, but I think you will be happy with your boat for a long time.

You got me on that last line. I'm not going anywhere, simply because there's no funding and my VTX does everything I've ever asked of it. Most of the time I love our VTX because it makes me better than I am, the rest of the time I hate it because it constantly out performs me and puts me in my place at the bottom of the watersports podium. But I have no brand loyalty. I love our Malibu and would never buy a new boat without testing out Malibu's offering first. But we got the VTX for one reason only, because it's the best ski boat of any v-drive out there. The fact that it's a malibu, wakeboards and surfs great are all bonuses, but we just wanted a good ski boat with a v-drive layout. So I f I were in the market today I'd certainly be checking this new CC out.

No I didn't start the MC thread, I've only been here for 4 months, despite my almost 400 posts .

As for it competing with the VTX, I'm really anxious to see some real life reviews. I probably have less of an eye for wake details than you, but it looks like a worthy competitor to me.

[85 Barefoot]

As for it competing with the VTX, I'm really anxious to see some real life reviews. I probably have less of an eye for wake details than you, but it looks like a worthy competitor to me.

Me too, and it could be. I'll be surprised though given the pictures of the wake.

[jk13]

I posted this in the other 2011 thread, but thought I'd add it here, as well.

I was very excited to see the Sport 200, but pretty disappointed with the pictures. I've also read about CC owners very dissapointed with the power delivery of these new boats. "Too many revs" is a common complaint. IDK what they mean by that, maybe not enough torque on take-off?

That is one boat I was interested in seeing. With the center pole the tower is still in the way for short line, though. And I don't like the way the rubrail dips down in the back like an old Maristar.

So MC and CC covered, no 'Bus or anyone else?

Edited July 20, 2010 by jk13

[85 Barefoot]

I posted this in the other 2011 thread, but thought I'd add it here, as well.

I was very excited to see the Sport 200, but pretty disappointed with the pictures. I've also read about CC owners very dissapointed with the power delivery of these new boats. "Too many revs" is a common complaint. IDK what they mean by that, maybe not enough torque on take-off?

It means that the hulls are so inefficient you have to wring the he%^ out of the motor to go anywhere. ie, to ski, some people are pushing 4400 rpm, sometimes more. Well, the RPM band doesn't go on forever!

[Malibudude]

Looks like this is another agree to disagree topic. Looks like we'll have to wait and see what the verdict is.

BTW the current crossover 211 was their competition for the VTX, and the general consensus was teh VTX was the better skiing v-drive, and wakeboarding, and...well you get it. So I'd imagine if they're coming out with this new 200 sport it has to at least beat it's replacement and I'd imagine they would have tried to up the ante and raise the bar from the VTX.

Not disagreeing w/ you, rather there isn't any real world experience and the lack of more detailed data, other than just a very brief article, makes it impossible to make a serious comparison. The new boat may preform as well or better overall or in certain areas, we just imho can't make that statement at this point.

[85 Barefoot]

Not disagreeing w/ you, rather there isn't any real world experience and the lack of more detailed data, other than just a very brief article, makes it impossible to make a serious comparison. The new boat may preform as well or better overall or in certain areas, we just imho can't make that statement at this point.

I can make this statement, if the new sport 200 is based off of a sn200, the ONLY thing it will have going for it is its ski wake, and from the pictures, I doubt that. Other than that it will be slow and small given the 200 hull it's based on, and that its lacking 500 pounds of factory ballast (not to mention wedge), it won't wakeboard or surf well for a v drive. That said, they'll sell a bunch.