surfing dilema

[kent]

Hi all, this is my first poll so it might not be right. Basically my question is which board is more fun to ride. I know that the skim you can do more tricks on, and I have an inland surfer black pearl. But I dont know if its my wake or me being a novice but I cant go ropeless on it. I weigh 160 so I dont think Im too heavy for it. The wake is pretty big, I have surf side mls full , center full, bow full, with a 750 rear locker, 750 rear surf side seat, and a 400 observers seat with the wedge 40%. anyway, I was thinking about getting a second board to get better maybe to graduate to the inland surfer but should i get another skim or a surf style? Or just add more weight and keep on truckin with what i have? Any opinions would be awesome.

[txwakejunkie]

Hi all, this is my first poll so it might not be right. Basically my question is which board is more fun to ride. I know that the skim you can do more tricks on, and I have an inland surfer black pearl. But I dont know if its my wake or me being a novice but I cant go ropeless on it. I weigh 160 so I dont think Im too heavy for it. The wake is pretty big, I have surf side mls full , center full, bow full, with a 750 rear locker, 750 rear surf side seat, and a 400 observers seat with the wedge 40%. anyway, I was thinking about getting a second board to get better maybe to graduate to the inland surfer but should i get another skim or a surf style? Or just add more weight and keep on truckin with what i have? Any opinions would be awesome.

do you mean in the bow with the 400? If not you should move it up there and see if that helps.

with that set up you should be able to go ropeless EASY on that board. The black pearl is a great board and with your body weight and all the weight in the boat you should have it made. What is your speed? maybe you are going to fast.

I prefer a surfstyle board for the feel but skim is fun too so you should demo before you ride. My favorite surf style board right now is the Inland Surfer Carbon Sweet Spot!! that board is insane!!!

Edited June 8, 2009 by txwakejunkie

[snowrider]

Been struggling with a similar issue. Really like our Inland Surfer Blue Lake 5'6" board. We have an Inland 4skim 4'6" but it is really loose and I haven't taken the time to get used to it. I can go ropeless, but it is tough to really maneuver the board and stay in the pocket. I am considering a Triple Pro X 5'0" surf style board as an in between model, but not decided.

[kent]

Hi all, this is my first poll so it might not be right. Basically my question is which board is more fun to ride. I know that the skim you can do more tricks on, and I have an inland surfer black pearl. But I dont know if its my wake or me being a novice but I cant go ropeless on it. I weigh 160 so I dont think Im too heavy for it. The wake is pretty big, I have surf side mls full , center full, bow full, with a 750 rear locker, 750 rear surf side seat, and a 400 observers seat with the wedge 40%. anyway, I was thinking about getting a second board to get better maybe to graduate to the inland surfer but should i get another skim or a surf style? Or just add more weight and keep on truckin with what i have? Any opinions would be awesome.

do you mean in the bow with the 400? If not you should move it up there and see if that helps.

with that set up you should be able to go ropeless EASY on that board. The black pearl is a great board and with your body weight and all the weight in the boat you should have it made. What is your speed? maybe you are going to fast.

I prefer a surfstyle board for the feel but skim is fun too so you should demo before you ride. My favorite surf style board right now is the Inland Surfer Carbon Sweet Spot!! that board is insane!!!

Weve tried 10.5 - 12.5 but lately its been 11.

[txwakejunkie]

with that weight you should be good at that speed, may want to check it with gps to be sure it is right. If you dont have and friends that can help you with your riding then post up a video and maybe we can give you some pointers on what is going on.

with our 23 lsv, rear factory full, 750 on top, 400 in seat, 400 up front, mid full, front full, and wedge down, 3 people in the boat and one riding, we ride at 11.5mph. With 2-3 more peeps we bump it to 12-12.5mph, if we have more peeps then we start getting rid of ballast, to get the weight down to where we like the wave. More weight is not always better wave!

[greenworks]

I have a yellow inland surfer and I am 200lbs with not near the ballast as you and I can ride around the lake all day, it does take some time to perfect the tecnique we surf at 9.8mph.I would say keep working at it it will come.

[Lance B. Johnson]

I have a yellow inland surfer and I am 200lbs with not near the ballast as you and I can ride around the lake all day, it does take some time to perfect the tecnique we surf at 9.8mph.I would say keep working at it it will come.

I am fairly new and just discovered the trick (at least for our boat) I was putting way to much weight at the back of the board.......I shifted forward and it changed my world.

[malibudog]

We have found that it helps to tell people that once you get up, try to put more of your weight on your toes, and reach out with your trailing hand and try to touch the top of the wave. Moves you into a better position, and the toes part helps the board edge more, which seems to make it easier to go ropeless. You should have enough weight and wake. Keep at it - You'll get it, and its a blast.

[mracrew]

I've had a skim style phase 5 for over 4 years now and it did take me awhile to learn to go without the rope and I know if i had a larger board i would of learned a lot quicker. Now what is really getting hot and are a blast to ride are surf style foam core boards that are real small like the Ronix koal, Liquid Force custom and walker project boards.

As far as your surf wake dialed turn off your speed control and accelerate to the speed where the wake looks the best and see take note of what rpm you are at. Then switch from speed mode to rpm mode and plug in the rpm you observed produced the best wake, this helps keep the wake so much more consistent then speed control mode.

[-BS-]

Boat wise, I think you definitely have too much weight in the back and not enough in the bow. The ratio should be 60% towards the back, 40% up front.

As far as riding, it's really important to equally distribute your weight on your feet. If anything you should have more weight on your front foot. Also, like the previous poster said, your foot position on the board is really important. You need to keep the edge of the board closest to the wave really dug into the wave.

Hope you figure it out. Good luck!

Edited June 12, 2009 by bs001

[Bobby Light]

Boat wise, I think you definitely have too much weight in the back and not enough in the bow. The ratio should be 60% towards the back, 40% up front.

As far as riding, it's really important to equally distribute your weight on your feet. If anything you should have more weight on your front foot. Also, like the previous poster said, your foot position on the board is really important. You need to keep the edge of the board closest to the wave really dug into the wave.

Hope you figure it out. Good luck!

That's for wakeboarding not surfing. I'd like to see you put 40% of the weight we're running in your bow.

[-BS-]

Boat wise, I think you definitely have too much weight in the back and not enough in the bow. The ratio should be 60% towards the back, 40% up front.

As far as riding, it's really important to equally distribute your weight on your feet. If anything you should have more weight on your front foot. Also, like the previous poster said, your foot position on the board is really important. You need to keep the edge of the board closest to the wave really dug into the wave.

Hope you figure it out. Good luck!

That's for wakeboarding not surfing. I'd like to see you put 40% of the weight we're running in your bow.

I believe the post says: 60% towards the back and 40% up front. That would mean anything forward of the half-way point in your boat is considered "up front". Anything behind the half-way point would we ''towards the back''. Right now he's running over 1000 lbs just in his rear locker and an additional 750 on the seat, just forward of his rear locker. Oh, and don't forget about the wedge. Meanwhile, he's got......300-500 (?) in the bow (that is centered)............

What do you think the issue is VLX?

Edited June 12, 2009 by bs001

[Bobby Light]

Boat wise, I think you definitely have too much weight in the back and not enough in the bow. The ratio should be 60% towards the back, 40% up front.

As far as riding, it's really important to equally distribute your weight on your feet. If anything you should have more weight on your front foot. Also, like the previous poster said, your foot position on the board is really important. You need to keep the edge of the board closest to the wave really dug into the wave.

Hope you figure it out. Good luck!

That's for wakeboarding not surfing. I'd like to see you put 40% of the weight we're running in your bow.

I believe the post says: 60% towards the back and 40% up front. That would mean anything forward of the half-way point in your boat is considered "up front". Anything behind the half-way point would we ''towards the back''. Right now he's running over 1000 lbs just in his rear locker and an additional 750 on the seat, just forward of his rear locker. Oh, and don't forget about the wedge. Meanwhile, he's got......300-500 (?) in the bow (that is centered)............

What do you think the issue is VLX?

Ok good point I guess I read it as meaning "Bow". My bow tries to dip with just stock mls.

I run more weight than this while surfing. I run full MLS accept surf side (sometimes half bow tank), 750 in surf side locker, 400 sac just forward of 750 sac under seats, 400 up the surf side seats, then another 400 sac positioned either on the side seats or across the back on the middle seat. That all depends how many people are in the boat. The key ingredient I've found that makes or breaks the wave is the wedge. If I don't have the wedge all the way down it will ruin the shape of the wave. I've tried it every which way and all the way down is the best for my setup.

I know every boat is different but that's what works for me. I'd say I have about 10-15% of the weight forward of the "half way point" as you called it.

Edited June 12, 2009 by 06vlx

[-BS-]

Sounds like you've got your wave dialed. We definitely have different methods to get our wave. I have never used wedge, and don't put near as much in the rear locker. I have all MLS full (no bow), 750 in bow surf side, and full sacs from front to back under seats on surf side. The rear locker ends up having (about) a 400 sac.

[Bobby Light]

Sounds like you've got your wave dialed. We definitely have different methods to get our wave. I have never used wedge, and don't put near as much in the rear locker. I have all MLS full (no bow), 750 in bow surf side, and full sacs from front to back under seats on surf side. The rear locker ends up having (about) a 400 sac.

Yes two very different boats in every way.

[kent]

Very informative, thanks guys!!! I think I will give the rpm thing a try and also try moving my sacs around. I also have a ronix koal coming so I have a feeling this weekend will be very productive. That is if the crew members driving while im surfing can learn to let the wake go by when i fall before turning around. They are averaging 1-3 dips per person .. haha

[kent]

Update : I think we have the wake dialed pretty good. But now we are back to the board problems. The ronix koal I got was damaged in shipping, but just for giggles I let my girlfriend try it a couple pulls. And well.. I think that one is a bit too advanced for her as well. The dealer said we should go with a cwb tsunami, but isnt that one a skim style like my black pearl? I see most prefer the surfstyle boards, so with that said anyone have any advice or help on which board to replace the damaged koal? Or which style (skim or surf) would be better for my girlfriend? She is 5'7'' 115-118 lbs and a beginner. Its a tough decision right now because Id like to find one for her to learn but since im spending all the bucks here id like to get one that i can throw out there and have alittle fun with too. thanks all !!!!

Edited June 22, 2009 by kentjina

[winebu]

The CWB Tsunami is a great board. It's great for learning on plus it can spin easily for the advanced rider. It's really fast so it's easy to keep up with the boat. We also have a Hyperlite Coex and everybody that tries the Tsunami likes it better. The only boards that I like better is my Yellow Loogey and Phase 5 prop - but they are for more advanced riders.

[Jimmypooh]

We have a Ronix 4'8" and seem to do great with nowhere near the weight (although it is on a VLX). What depth of water are you in? That will make a HUGE difference. Our wake gets washed out below about 7-8 ft.